Bug#885698: What licenses should be included in /usr/share/common-licenses?

2023-09-10 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2023-09-10T21:47:36+0200, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: > Quoting Bill Allombert (2023-09-10 18:29:36) > > On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 09:00:22AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > > > Jonas Smedegaard writes: > > > >> Hmm, how about providing license-common package and that > > > >> depends

Re: Shouldn't shipping broken symlinks be against policy?

2018-11-13 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2018-11-13T17:02:49+, Ian Jackson wrote: > G. Branden Robinson writes ("Shouldn't shipping broken symlinks be against > policy?"): > > Not reopening, but I have some questions for the Policy team. > ... > > I could have sworn you were incorrect, but sure eno

Shouldn't shipping broken symlinks be against policy?

2018-11-13 Thread G. Branden Robinson
st -f "$F"; then file "$F"; dpkg -S "$F"; fi; done 4938 /usr/share/man/man1/rust-gdb.1.gz: broken symbolic link to gdb.1.gz rust-gdb: /usr/share/man/man1/rust-gdb.1.gz > X > > G. Branden Robinson: > > Package: rust-gdb > > Version: 1.28.0+

resignation from Debian Policy team

2005-04-17 Thread Branden Robinson
deliberations. Debian webmasters, Please update http://www.debian.org/intro/organization accordingly. -- G. Branden Robinson|Somewhere, there is a .sig so funny Debian GNU/Linux |that reading it will cause an [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Bug#218893: Proposal: debian/rules.version file [Fix for the build-arch problem]

2003-11-15 Thread Branden Robinson
or something similar instead I really like the debian/interfaces proposal. -- G. Branden Robinson|The errors of great men are Debian GNU/Linux |venerable because they are more [EMAIL PROTECTED] |fruitful than the truths of little http

Bug#218893: Proposal: debian/rules.version file [Fix for the build-arch problem]

2003-11-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 04:01:25AM -0600, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: So you are going to implement this even if the discussion is not already closed. Of course you can implement it anyway, but it's unfair to ignore what Branden Robinson asked: Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Bug#218893: Proposal: debian/rules.version file [Fix for the build-arch problem]

2003-11-11 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:26:24AM -0600, Adam Heath wrote: On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Branden Robinson wrote: Uh, what if I want to put the following at the very top of my debian/control file? # $Id$ I was given to understand that dpkg 1.10.15 or so would be just fine with it, whereas

Bug#218893: Proposal: debian/rules.version file [Fix for the build-arch problem]

2003-11-09 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 06:24:09PM -0600, Adam Heath wrote: On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 01:02:56PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: Joy proposed to put such information in debian/control instead. The idea of a new file was to ease parsing

Bug#218893: Proposal: debian/rules.version file [Fix for the build-arch problem]

2003-11-07 Thread Branden Robinson
. debian/rules.in is almost impossible, but debian/control can be generated by debian/rules. Also, having to parse debian/control to determine what format debian/control might be in is a bad idea. -- G. Branden Robinson| Convictions are more dangerous Debian GNU/Linux

Bug#218893: Proposal: debian/rules.version file [Fix for the build-arch problem]

2003-11-06 Thread Branden Robinson
) of the source package. $ cat debian/interface rules: rules-interface1, rules-interface2, ... control: control-interface1, control-interface1, ... I don't have a problem with this at all. -- G. Branden Robinson| The software said it required Debian GNU/Linux

Bug#218893: Alternative proposal: debian/format

2003-11-04 Thread Branden Robinson
. Comments? -- G. Branden Robinson|Lowery's Law: Debian GNU/Linux |If it jams -- force it. If it [EMAIL PROTECTED] |breaks, it needed replacing anyway. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Bug#218530: Suboptimal conditional rune for initscripts

2003-11-02 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 04:55:36PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Branden Robinson writes (Re: Bug#218530: Suboptimal conditional rune for initscripts): Ah, I see the reason: ... [127] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ % ash $ type ls ls is /bin/ls But you don't, because it has a nonzero exit status

Re: Package which uses jam (instead make)

2003-10-29 Thread Branden Robinson
think. Oh, come on. It's obvious from context that he meant contention, and misspoke. Not all of us on these lists are native English speakers, but that doesn't excuse deliberate misconstrual of other people's words. -- G. Branden Robinson| You live and learn. Debian GNU

Re: Package which uses jam (instead make)

2003-10-22 Thread Branden Robinson
argument that I find persuasive, I would continue to support a proposal to loosen the definition of a debian/rules file in this respect. -- G. Branden Robinson|Lowery's Law: Debian GNU/Linux |If it jams -- force it. If it [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Bug#88029: Package which uses jam (instead make)

2003-10-21 Thread Branden Robinson
a non-makefile. (itinerant policy-editor hat on) Me neither. -- G. Branden Robinson|Humor is a rubber sword - it allows Debian GNU/Linux |you to make a point without drawing [EMAIL PROTECTED] |blood. http://people.debian.org/~branden

Bug#212814: please clarify 3.4: description of a package

2003-09-26 Thread Branden Robinson
short description should not be a sentence. The long description should be one sentence at the VERY least. -- G. Branden Robinson| Men are born ignorant, not stupid. Debian GNU/Linux | They are made stupid by education. [EMAIL PROTECTED

Bug#212814: please clarify 3.4: description of a package

2003-09-26 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 11:02:17PM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 10:50:41AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: I believe package management utilities are allowed to omit the short description in favor of the long one for interface considerations. Why, though? What

Re: propose new virtual package: libxaw-dev

2003-09-21 Thread Branden Robinson
maintain. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. -- G. Branden Robinson| I suspect Linus wrote that in a Debian GNU/Linux | complicated way only to be able to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | have that comment in there. http://people.debian.org

Bug#209855: [PROPOSAL] Move documentation of behavior of ancient dpkg in 6.6 to a footnote

2003-09-10 Thread Branden Robinson
/sect Seconded. Until and unless I say otherwise, the footnote text can be amended arbitrarily, or even deleted entirely, without invalidating my second. -- G. Branden Robinson| Organized religion is a sham and a Debian GNU/Linux | crutch for weak

Re: Move documentation of behavior of ancient dpkg in 6.6 to a footnote (was: /etc/shells management)

2003-09-09 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 05:38:51PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: Ok. Redirecting to debian-policy. Please follow the Policy amendment process. apt-get install debian-policy and then view: file:///usr/share/doc/debian-policy/policy-process.html/index.html -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: what is policy about?

2003-08-27 Thread Branden Robinson
one, at that. I reiterate my position from last year: * decouple the Policy manual from bug severities * decouple bug severities from release management Neither of these mean that the Policy Manual or Release Manager have to give up any power whatsoever. -- G. Branden Robinson

Bug#207132: debian-policy is missing gcc transition plans

2003-08-26 Thread Branden Robinson
?archive=nobug=97671 (scroll down about 25% and start reading). -- G. Branden Robinson| Convictions are more dangerous Debian GNU/Linux | enemies of truth than lies. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Friedrich Nietzsche http

Re: Bug#197835: [PROPOSAL]: integrated environments are allowed

2003-06-19 Thread Branden Robinson
Watson is on the right. -- G. Branden Robinson| Life is what happens to you while Debian GNU/Linux | you're busy making other plans. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- John Lennon http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpzVh1sI836X.pgp Description

Bug#160827: syntax of the maintainer name in the Maintainer: field

2002-12-10 Thread Branden Robinson
ASCII only. -- G. Branden Robinson| Psychology is really biology. Debian GNU/Linux | Biology is really chemistry. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Chemistry is really physics. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | Physics is really math

Re: Virtual packages

2002-11-22 Thread Branden Robinson
on these virtual packages, has a well known spot to go to to get the list of established virtual package names. I do think we need to re-write the para to state that the list is merely a registry, of sorts, of established virtual package names. Seconded. -- G. Branden Robinson

Bug#170019: debian-policy: Ambiguity in section 11.7.2 (Configuration files: Location)

2002-11-21 Thread Branden Robinson
enough to mandate /etc, but suggesting the use of symlinks from /usr might make life a bit easier for some maintainers who are aghast at the thought of rewriting upstream to use /etc natively. *cough*143825*cough* *cough*Patches welcome.*cough* -- G. Branden Robinson|You should

Re: CVS branden: Branden

2002-11-20 Thread Branden Robinson
stupid tangent and wax preachy about how they'd pedantically do things if we wen're using SGML. :-P -- G. Branden Robinson| You could wire up a dead rat to a Debian GNU/Linux | DIMM socket and the PC BIOS memory [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Bug#169399: handling of additional documentation with doc-base

2002-11-18 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 11:56:51AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 07:39:52PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: b) what severity such bugs should be I strongly disagree with this. I wrote up an extensive explanation of why recently: http://lists.debian.org

Re: Bug#169399: handling of additional documentation with doc-base

2002-11-17 Thread Branden Robinson
are useful. b) what severity such bugs should be I strongly disagree with this. I wrote up an extensive explanation of why recently: http://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2002/debian-ctte-200211/msg00027.html -- G. Branden Robinson| There is no gravity in space. Debian GNU/Linux

Bug#165063: debian-policy: Section `12.8.3 Packages providing a terminal emulator' fails to sufficently document the -e option

2002-11-17 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 09:30:35PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 09:41:15AM +, Jonathan David Amery wrote: I suggest that the following patch be applied to policy in order to resolve this issue: --- policy.sgml.old Fri Nov 15 09:30:47 2002 +++ policy.sgml

Re: Bug#167004: My counter-proposal

2002-11-17 Thread Branden Robinson
. Seconded. I second this as long as people swear to stop bitching at me about what window manager ends up as the default. :-P -- G. Branden Robinson|I'm sorry if the following sounds Debian GNU/Linux |combative and excessively personal, [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Bug#167422: files in /usr/share should be world-readable

2002-11-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 06:13:50PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Branden == Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Branden Well, according to the FHS, you shouldn't be putting variabel data in Branden /usr at all: It is not variable data. It is static data; that does

Re: Bug#167422: files in /usr/share should be world-readable

2002-11-15 Thread Branden Robinson
. [...] They are not even accessed by the user directly, and certainly not by emacs. This description unambiguously screams /var/log to me. Clearly your mileage varies. -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | Please do not look directly into [EMAIL PROTECTED

Bug#165063: debian-policy: Section `12.8.3 Packages providing a terminal emulator' fails to sufficently document the -e option

2002-11-15 Thread Branden Robinson
, + interpreting the entirity of the rest of the command + line as a command to pass straight to exec, in the + manner that ttxterm/tt does. /p/item itemp Support the command-line option tt-T Seconded. -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: Bug#39830: [AMENDMENT]: get rid of undocumented(7) symlinks

2002-11-14 Thread Branden Robinson
it will end. How long do you propose to wait before declaring this proposal non-objectionable? So far I haven't seen any complaints that wouldn't be addressed by Colin Watson's planned update to the man-db package. -- G. Branden Robinson|The basic test of freedom is Debian GNU

Bug#167422: files in /usr/share should be world-readable

2002-11-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:57:43AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Branden == Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Branden I don't have one any more specific than somewhere under /var. Branden /var/log doesn't work if the byte-compiler isn't running as the root Branden user

Re: Bug#167422: files in /usr/share should be world-readable

2002-11-13 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 12:17:48AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Branden == Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Branden On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 08:10:02PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: You can decide not to log for _your_ package. I certainly am going to continue to log

Bug#39830: [AMENDMENT]: get rid of undocumented(7) symlinks

2002-11-13 Thread Branden Robinson
the conclusion of this matter to one of the other editors (Julian, Josip, or me). (...ah, this post was worth it just for the wicked grin I had on my face while writing it. :) ) -- G. Branden Robinson| I suspect Linus wrote that in a Debian GNU/Linux

Re: Bug#39830: [AMENDMENT]: get rid of undocumented(7) symlinks

2002-11-13 Thread Branden Robinson
against making less work for the editor. I don't think this is a big deal, really, do you? I think now that we have Josip as an editor, he can pick any SGML diffs free of nits. :) -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | Ab abusu ad usum non valet

Re: Bug#167422: files in /usr/share should be world-readable

2002-11-12 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 08:10:02PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: You can decide not to log for _your_ package. I certainly am going to continue to log the compilation for mine. Well, will you consider placing them in a more FHS-friendly location than /usr/share? :) -- G. Branden

Bug#39830: [AMENDMENT]: get rid of undocumented(7) symlinks

2002-11-12 Thread Branden Robinson
I second the proposal in [EMAIL PROTECTED]. -- G. Branden Robinson|You can have my PGP passphrase when Debian GNU/Linux |you pry it from my cold, dead [EMAIL PROTECTED] |brain. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |-- Adam Thornton

Re: Bug#97671: xutils: why is rstart.real a conffile?

2002-11-11 Thread Branden Robinson
a UseFHS expando and set a bunch of defines, probably in X11.tmpl, if it evaluates true. Then of course one has to change linux.cf and any other .cf for which the FHS might be relevant. -- G. Branden Robinson| If you have the slightest bit of Debian GNU/Linux

Bug#168435: debian-policy: Remove the requirement to install static libraries

2002-11-09 Thread Branden Robinson
kinds of things for hisself [sic]; Debian tries to make such things straightforward. How about a policy proposal that simply clears up the redundancy rather than pursuing a private agenda as a bonus? -- G. Branden Robinson| It just seems to me that you are Debian GNU/Linux

Bug#167004: add ewmh-x-window-manager alternative, drop EWMH section from priority, add virtual package ewmh-x-window-manager

2002-10-30 Thread Branden Robinson
of EWMH support instead. Depends: metacity | ewmh-x-window-manager | x-window-manager? Ugh. -- G. Branden Robinson|I'm sorry if the following sounds Debian GNU/Linux |combative and excessively personal, [EMAIL PROTECTED] |but that's

Bug#167004: gnome-wm

2002-10-30 Thread Branden Robinson
in Debian refuse to use /etc/X11/Xsession as the default X session script. -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | De minimis non curat lex. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpHwbrffmUr3.pgp Description: PGP signature

Bug#165063: debian-policy: Section `12.8.3 Packages providing a terminal emulator' fails to sufficently document the -e option

2002-10-18 Thread Branden Robinson
be treated as the last x-terminal-emulator option, eh? -- G. Branden Robinson| Never attribute to malice that Debian GNU/Linux | which can be adequately explained [EMAIL PROTECTED] | by stupidity. http://people.debian.org/~branden

Bug#165063: debian-policy: Section `12.8.3 Packages providing a terminal emulator' fails to sufficently document the -e option

2002-10-18 Thread Branden Robinson
option as xterm does. j -- G. Branden Robinson| The last Christian died on the Debian GNU/Linux | cross. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Friedrich Nietzsche http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpWw8iI2vMxl.pgp Description: PGP signature

Bug#165063: debian-policy: Section `12.8.3 Packages providing a terminal emulator' fails to sufficently document the -e option

2002-10-16 Thread Branden Robinson
-terminal-emulator. -- G. Branden Robinson| Q: How does a Unix guru have sex? Debian GNU/Linux | A: unzip;strip;touch;finger;mount; [EMAIL PROTECTED] |fsck;more;yes;fsck;fsck;fsck; http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |umount

Bug#164035: debian-policy: [PROPOSAL] build-dependencies should be satisfied during the clean target

2002-10-09 Thread Branden Robinson
of the following targets is invoked: - `build', `build-indep', `binary' and `binary-indep'. + `build', `build-indep', `clean', `binary' and `binary-indep'. Seconded. -- G. Branden Robinson| Never underestimate the power of Debian GNU/Linux

Bug#162120: debian-policy: Deletion of configuration files--should it be preserved?

2002-09-25 Thread Branden Robinson
? -- G. Branden Robinson| You don't just decide to break Debian GNU/Linux | Kubrick's code of silence and then [EMAIL PROTECTED] | get drawn away from it to a http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | discussion about cough medicine

Re: [RFC] *-rc.d - rc.d-* transition

2002-09-09 Thread Branden Robinson
for update-init over update-rc.d is much greater than my preference for init-update over update-init. -- G. Branden Robinson|To Republicans, limited government Debian GNU/Linux |means not assisting people they [EMAIL PROTECTED] |would

Re: Debian LSB Status

2002-08-29 Thread Branden Robinson
. Branden Robinson| Yesterday upon the stair, Debian GNU/Linux | I met a man who wasn't there. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | He wasn't there again today, http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | I think he's from the CIA. pgp9i6I7F2BSf.pgp

Bug#157131: PROPOSAL] Suggest to minimize optimization when DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS contains debug

2002-08-18 Thread Branden Robinson
to me. (BTW, someone's mailer is a complete piece of crap. What the F is up with mangling the subject line like that?) -- G. Branden Robinson| You don't just decide to break Debian GNU/Linux | Kubrick's code of silence and then [EMAIL PROTECTED

Bug#155680: PROPOSAL ] bump priority of window managers which support WMSP

2002-08-17 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 10:43:06PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: Well, are we basically in rough consensus about this now? Here's an updated patch which just makes the priority increase 20 instead of 30. I don't object. -- G. Branden Robinson| I came, I saw, she

Bug#155680: PROPOSAL ] bump priority of window managers which support WMSP

2002-08-07 Thread Branden Robinson
, even if it is a little more complicated. I am tempted to agree. (I still want to hear what Branden has to say about all of this, too.) I haven't firmly made up my mind yet. Can someone tell me what the relationship between WMSP, netwm, and the EWMH spec is? -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: [epg@progeny.com: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts]

2002-07-28 Thread Branden Robinson
to be enhancing the user experience in Debian by doing away with these meaningless virtual packages! -- G. Branden Robinson|Somebody once asked me if I thought Debian GNU/Linux |sex was dirty. I said, It is if [EMAIL PROTECTED] |you're doing

Re: [epg@progeny.com: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts]

2002-07-28 Thread Branden Robinson
as you suggest will do anything to overcome Mark Brown's opposition to the idea. -- G. Branden Robinson|A committee is a life form with six Debian GNU/Linux |or more legs and no brain. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-- Robert Heinlein http

make it official

2002-07-28 Thread Branden Robinson
a module for the Dotfile Generator dict-client Any package providing clients for the Dictionary Server I am seeking seconds for this proposal. -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | If ignorance is bliss, [EMAIL

Re: [epg@progeny.com: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts]

2002-07-26 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 05:09:06PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 10:21:15AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Etherconf never invokes anything other than ifup and ifdown. It's ifup that has the smarts. I know it already handles dhcp-client and pump; i think (but may

[epg@progeny.com: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts]

2002-07-25 Thread Branden Robinson
, many people invent square wheels. - End forwarded message - -- Branden Robinson | GPG signed/encrypted mail welcome [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 1024D/9C0BCBFB Consultant| D5F6 D4C9 E25B 3D37 068C Progeny Linux Systems | 72E8 0F42 191A 9C0B CBFB

Re: Bug#154142: etherconf only depends on dhcp-client

2002-07-24 Thread Branden Robinson
: debconf, ifupdown (= 0.6.4), dhcp-client | dhcp3-client, libconfhelper-perl Is this acceptable, or is there some deep down dependency on dhcp-client 2.x? IMO dhcp-client should be a virtual package Provided by dhcp3-client, udhcpc, and pump. -- Branden Robinson | GPG signed

Re: Bug#154142: etherconf only depends on dhcp-client

2002-07-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 11:36:58AM -0400, Simon Law wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 10:06:34AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: IMO dhcp-client should be a virtual package Provided by dhcp3-client, udhcpc, and pump. I also concur. Does that mean that dhcp-client becomes dhcp2-client

Re: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts

2002-07-24 Thread Branden Robinson
udhcpc has nothing to do with package dependencies and thus nothing to do with virtual packages. -- Branden Robinson | GPG signed/encrypted mail welcome [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 1024D/9C0BCBFB Consultant| D5F6 D4C9 E25B 3D37 068C Progeny Linux Systems | 72E8 0F42 191A

Re: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts

2002-07-24 Thread Branden Robinson
, then? -- Branden Robinson | GPG signed/encrypted mail welcome [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 1024D/9C0BCBFB Consultant| D5F6 D4C9 E25B 3D37 068C Progeny Linux Systems | 72E8 0F42 191A 9C0B CBFB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble

Re: Bug#154142: dhcp-client conflicts

2002-07-24 Thread Branden Robinson
, and I don't think etherconf needs it, either. -- Branden Robinson | GPG signed/encrypted mail welcome [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 1024D/9C0BCBFB Consultant| D5F6 D4C9 E25B 3D37 068C Progeny Linux Systems | 72E8 0F42 191A 9C0B CBFB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: Bug#97671: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-22 Thread Branden Robinson
to achieve consensus on subjective issues. I think our approach to the twin nemeses of policy and release management need to reflect this fact better than they do at present. -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | If encryption is outlawed, only [EMAIL

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-21 Thread Branden Robinson
. -- G. Branden Robinson| Q: How does a Unix guru have sex? Debian GNU/Linux | A: unzip;strip;touch;finger;mount; [EMAIL PROTECTED] |fsck;more;yes;fsck;fsck;fsck; http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |umount;sleep

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-21 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 02:49:00PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: If you can't justify a change without reference to policy, then you shouldn't be suggesting it, !? No more wishlist bugs? -- G. Branden Robinson|I've made up my mind. Don't try to Debian GNU/Linux

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-21 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 03:09:17AM -0400, Clint Adams wrote: I didn't realize that policy compliance was some sort of buddy-boy system. /me watches comprehension slowly, slowly wash over Clint's countenance... -- G. Branden Robinson| It doesn't matter what you are Debian

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-21 Thread Branden Robinson
of anyone else unless they say so. -- G. Branden Robinson|I've made up my mind. Don't try to Debian GNU/Linux |confuse me with the facts. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-- Indiana Senator Earl Landgrebe http://people.debian.org/~branden

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-18 Thread Branden Robinson
the latest flamewar that moved it in or out of /usr or */sbin. -- G. Branden Robinson| Mob rule isn't any prettier just Debian GNU/Linux | because you call your mob a [EMAIL PROTECTED] | government. http://people.debian.org/~branden

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-18 Thread Branden Robinson
$r; print $r\n' $1; } fi Yeah, well, I'll be happy to change this once we have some official Policy, or an offical Best Current Practice statement. I'll let the shell maintainers finish their penis war first, though. -- G. Branden Robinson| You live and learn. Debian

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-17 Thread Branden Robinson
package Depend on netcat, but until Decklin moved nc to /bin, the init script *still* wouldn't work. Therefore, I think we really do have two separate issues here. Essentiality and /usrness. This points up the even greater need for a definition of a minimal system. -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-17 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 01:07:23PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Further, /bin/bash is available and provides both type and test as builtins. Bad news for any Debian port that wants to use ash as its Essential shell, then. I hate to break

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-16 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 03:16:12PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 01:17:45PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: So why waste everyone's time discussing it rather than just using sed or /bin/sh and getting on with your life? Because this isn't just about me, and it isn't

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-16 Thread Branden Robinson
in it depending on how early in the boot sequence you are. (At least, as I understand the Hurd, which is not very well.) -- G. Branden Robinson|It's like I have a shotgun in my Debian GNU/Linux |mouth, I've got my finger on the [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-16 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 11:37:40PM +0100, Stephen Stafford wrote: | On Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 03:13:23PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: | If you're up to it, however, I would like to challenge you to implement | /usr/bin/tr(1) in /bin/sed(1). I few of us on IRC tried several days | ago

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-13 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 11:20:31PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 12:35:27PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 02:55:23PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: Anyway, there are already plenty of tools in /bin capable of performing the task of cut(1). Sure

RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-11 Thread Branden Robinson
sure you're already aware of this, as you are of http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200205/msg02540.html. I'm CCing debian-policy as a means of RFD. I invite your participation if you have something to contribute beyond don't do that, then. -- Branden Robinson | GPG

Bug#149709: [BUG] section 10.3.3 does not provide enough guidance for package maintainers to use update-rc.d correctly

2002-06-11 Thread Branden Robinson
Package: debian-policy Version: 3.5.6.1 Severity: normal A couple of points regarding policy 10.3.3 (Managing the links): 1) The policy does not mention that if your package changes its runlevels or priority, that update-rc.d package remove MUST be called, or update-rc.d will leave the existing

Re: command -v in postinsts violating policy

2002-05-26 Thread Branden Robinson
it is doing. Let me be perfectly clear: KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF OF XFREE86. -- G. Branden Robinson|Somewhere, there is a .sig so funny Debian GNU/Linux |that reading it will cause an [EMAIL PROTECTED] |aneurysm. This is not that .sig. http

Re: command -v in postinsts violating policy

2002-05-26 Thread Branden Robinson
scripts can be made less robust is quite deserving of an unfriendly response. -- G. Branden Robinson| The only way to get rid of a Debian GNU/Linux | temptation is to yield to it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Oscar Wilde http

Re: command -v in postinsts violating policy

2002-05-26 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 11:46:40PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 04:06:29PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Let me be perfectly clear: KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF OF XFREE86. You do realize this is now going to be quoted out of context and used in all sorts of ad hominem

Re: command -v in postinsts violating policy

2002-05-25 Thread Branden Robinson
. Of course, I am hardly unbiased as I pretty consistently and deliberately use command -v in my maintainer scripts. -- G. Branden Robinson| Mob rule isn't any prettier just Debian GNU/Linux | because you call your mob a [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: command -v in postinsts violating policy

2002-05-25 Thread Branden Robinson
package maintainer who employs this tool. -- G. Branden Robinson| I came, I saw, she conquered. Debian GNU/Linux | The original Latin seems to have [EMAIL PROTECTED] | been garbled. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Robert

Re: command -v in postinsts violating policy

2002-05-25 Thread Branden Robinson
forward for woody + 1. IMO, anyone who uses zsh for /bin/sh is quite insane. ;-) -- G. Branden Robinson| Suffer before God and ye shall be Debian GNU/Linux | redeemed. God loves us, so He [EMAIL PROTECTED] | makes us suffer

Re: command -v in postinsts violating policy

2002-05-25 Thread Branden Robinson
want, but that doesn't mean that the Debian packaging infrastructure offers to it for me via a debconf question, update-alternatives, or some similar mechanism. -- G. Branden Robinson| The noble soul has reverence for Debian GNU/Linux | itself. [EMAIL

Re: command -v in postinsts violating policy

2002-05-25 Thread Branden Robinson
. It is a hallucination of your fevered mind. -- G. Branden Robinson|There is no housing shortage in Debian GNU/Linux |Lincoln today -- just a rumor that [EMAIL PROTECTED] |is put about by people who have http://people.debian.org/~branden

Re: The Serious severity

2002-05-02 Thread Branden Robinson
doesn't forget it -- G. Branden Robinson| Convictions are more dangerous Debian GNU/Linux | enemies of truth than lies. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Friedrich Nietzsche http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpWRRm47K08K.pgp Description

Re: The Serious severity

2002-05-02 Thread Branden Robinson
people do not need your permission to discuss the utility of the serious severity? -- G. Branden Robinson|If a man ate a pound of pasta and a Debian GNU/Linux |pound of antipasto, would they [EMAIL PROTECTED] |cancel out, leaving him

Bug#139957: period at the end of short description?

2002-03-28 Thread Branden Robinson
as: Description: gNOME-based game; you're an ambulance driver and you've got to keep your patients from arriving at the hospital D.O.A? The leading mandatory capital letter and trailing period are noise, not signal. Thus, they should be added where noise isn't a problem. -- G. Branden Robinson

Bug#139957: period at the end of short description?

2002-03-27 Thread Branden Robinson
requirement upon amendment of the Social Contract or DFSG are, perhaps, not so ill-founded. Even a 4:1 supermajority is too low. Amazing. -- G. Branden Robinson| If God had intended for man to go Debian GNU/Linux | about naked, we would have been [EMAIL

Bug#139957: period at the end of short description?

2002-03-26 Thread Branden Robinson
(`.'). /p p I second this. We should also discourage capitalization of the first letter in a package description. (I.e., don't make it a capital letter if it wouldn't be one in the middle of a sentence.) -- G. Branden Robinson| Never attribute to malice

Re: Adding debian/rules unpack as a required operation

2002-01-17 Thread Branden Robinson
on the head with. While I agree with you vis a vis Policy, I have no objection to such a thing, speaking as the maintainer of a very large, DBS-using package. -- G. Branden Robinson|Build a fire for a man, and he'll Debian GNU/Linux |be warm for a day. Set

Bug#122931: debian-policy: Spelling consistency depend(e|a)ncies in policy 2.3.8.1

2001-12-10 Thread Branden Robinson
instead. (/me casts his line and waits for a bite) -- G. Branden Robinson| When I die I want to go peacefully Debian GNU/Linux | in my sleep like my ol' Grand [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Dad...not screaming in terror like http

Re: Bug#122817: base-files: Please provide profile.d hook in /etc/profile

2001-12-10 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 11:11:06AM +0100, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 09:37:37AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 03:04:39PM +0100, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: You are wrong here. Sample: - I want to provide

Bug#122931: debian-policy: Spelling consistency depend(e|a)ncies in policy 2.3.8.1

2001-12-08 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 09:08:16AM -0400, Ben Armstrong wrote: In policy section 2.3.8.1 there are two inconsistent spellings of the word dependencies as dependancies. While correct according to dict [gcide], Then that's a bug in gcide; please file one. -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: Should debian policy require to use debconf for postinst scripts?

2001-12-07 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 12:19:51AM +, Julian Gilbey wrote: To pseudo-quote Anthony Towns on this one: policy is not a stick to hit lazy maintainers with. Oh, come now. *Anything* can be a stick to hit lazy maintainers with. Just so long as they get beaten. -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: Bug#122817: base-files: Please provide profile.d hook in /etc/profile

2001-12-07 Thread Branden Robinson
a given enviroment for *all* programs. /etc/environment Santiago is right about this. Yes, it frightens me to hear myself saying that. -- G. Branden Robinson| Exercise your freedom of religion. Debian GNU/Linux | Set fire to a church of your [EMAIL

Re: REVISED PROPOSAL regarding DFSG 3 and 4, licenses, and modifiable text

2001-12-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 10:46:32PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I intend to. I'm sorry to offend you by asking people more familiar with the GNU Emacs Manual to assist. What bugs me is that you've now issued *TWO* proposals without

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