Re: REVISED PROPOSAL regarding DFSG 3 and 4, licenses, and modifiable text

2001-12-03 Thread Branden Robinson
of unwanted mails. Please forward this request to the list owner. Thanks Please take your grievance to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The readers of these mailing lists *DO NOT* have the power to unsubscribe you. -- G. Branden Robinson| Exercise your freedom of religion. Debian GNU/Linux

Re: REVISED PROPOSAL regarding DFSG 3 and 4, licenses, and modifiable text

2001-12-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 11:30:47PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe Debian should have a standard a priori the GNU Emacs Manual (for example), and not reason backwards on the assumption that everything that is in main must belong

Re: REVISED PROPOSAL regarding DFSG 3 and 4, licenses, and modifiable text

2001-12-02 Thread Branden Robinson
Manual is retained or excluded under my guideline (if adopted), whether due to explicit exception or because it happens to meet the expressed criteria, is not a decision I am solely empowered to make. Please refrain from making this implication. -- G. Branden Robinson| You

Re: REVISED PROPOSAL regarding DFSG 3 and 4, licenses, and modifiable text

2001-12-02 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 11:14:37PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If it's not *Software* then either, 1) We must treat it as such, or; 2) We have no mandate to deal with it at all. We don't need a mandate. The US Congress

Re: REVISED PROPOSAL regarding DFSG 3 and 4, licenses, and modifiable text

2001-12-02 Thread Branden Robinson
? :) but do we want to deticate space and bandwidth to non-free licensing, or does the cabal of publishing ideas limit us to thinking of documentation as Free? I'm sorry, I don't understand this part. -- G. Branden Robinson| We either learn from history or, Debian GNU/Linux

Re: REVISED PROPOSAL regarding DFSG 3 and 4, licenses, and modifiable text

2001-12-02 Thread Branden Robinson
channels and getting a dozen sponsors before slapping them down in the sight of the rest of the project. I guess I should be ashamed of myself for using a public discussion list to conduct open discussions. -- G. Branden Robinson| You live and learn. Debian GNU/Linux

Re: REVISED PROPOSAL regarding DFSG 3 and 4, licenses, and modifiable text

2001-12-02 Thread Branden Robinson
is not to grant categorical immunity to any class of these violations. -- G. Branden Robinson| Software engineering: that part of Debian GNU/Linux | computer science which is too [EMAIL PROTECTED] | difficult for the computer http

REVISED PROPOSAL regarding DFSG 3 and 4, licenses, and modifiable text

2001-12-01 Thread Branden Robinson
. A great deal of ground has already been covered, particularly in discussions with Richard Stallman of the Free Software Foundation. -- G. Branden Robinson|Damnit, we're all going to die; Debian GNU/Linux |let's die doing something *useful*! [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: REVISED PROPOSAL regarding DFSG 3 and 4, licenses, and modifiable text

2001-12-01 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 02:14:51PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 05:51:29PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: [Debian Policy group: I am not sure if the Debian Policy Manual is an appropriate forum for any of the following material. I invite your opinions.] -policy

Re: REVISED PROPOSAL regarding DFSG 3 and 4, licenses, and modifiable text

2001-12-01 Thread Branden Robinson
the same thing as the old BSD advertising clause, and would thus be handled under clause 3) of my proposal. -- G. Branden Robinson| Psychology is really biology. Debian GNU/Linux | Biology is really chemistry. [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a s eparate package

2001-11-18 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 01:02:41AM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Branden Robinson writes (Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a s eparate package): On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 09:15:21PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Nonsense. The Technical Committee should make whatever

Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a s eparate package

2001-11-18 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 01:02:39AM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Branden Robinson writes (Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a s eparate package): Constitution 6.3.5: [...] I have replied to Branden (CC the Committee list) separately. ...which no one else is able

Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a separate package

2001-11-17 Thread Branden Robinson
realize that users do not, in general, read the extended descriptions of packages. This isn't your fault, just a bitter lesson I've learned over the past few years. -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | It tastes good. [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a s eparate package

2001-11-17 Thread Branden Robinson
been proposed and reasonably thoroughly discussed elsewhere. I ask that the Technical Committe restrict itself to choosing from or adopting a compromise between the solutions proposed by Brian Mays and myself. -- G. Branden Robinson| Yesterday upon the stair, Debian GNU

Re: XF86 4.1 on potato

2001-11-17 Thread Branden Robinson
further discussion take place there. No, the Policy list isn't correct, either. -- G. Branden Robinson| Exercise your freedom of religion. Debian GNU/Linux | Set fire to a church of your [EMAIL PROTECTED] | choice. http

Re: [jfs@dat.etsit.upm.es: radiusd-freeradius: This package is not Debian native]

2001-11-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 09:26:23PM -0600, Adam Heath wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Branden Robinson wrote: ...or there is non-free code in the upstream tarball, or the tarball unpacks to a poorly-named subdirectory, or doesn't unpack to a subdirectory at all, etc. These last 2 'problems

Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a separate package

2001-11-14 Thread Branden Robinson
for further arguments for and against my request. -- G. Branden Robinson|The errors of great men are Debian GNU/Linux |venerable because they are more [EMAIL PROTECTED] |fruitful than the truths of little http://people.debian.org/~branden

Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a s eparate package

2001-11-14 Thread Branden Robinson
not be allowed by itself. I think both should be forbidden. ELF objects, minor or major, must declare shared library dependencies as Depends. ELF objects, minor or major, that link against non-free shared libraries must not go into main. -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a s eparate package

2001-11-14 Thread Branden Robinson
this is a technical issue. This was my response to Peter Galbraith and I personally don't care whether the Technical Committee rules on it or not. It doesn't appear to a be point at issue. -- G. Branden Robinson|You should try building some of the Debian GNU/Linux

Re: [jfs@dat.etsit.upm.es: radiusd-freeradius: This package is not Debian native]

2001-11-12 Thread Branden Robinson
goal, but shouldn't be mandatory. -- G. Branden Robinson| Exercise your freedom of religion. Debian GNU/Linux | Set fire to a church of your [EMAIL PROTECTED] | choice. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | pgphZPolHyLWL.pgp Description

Re: TrueType fonts, Type1 fonts, X, and the FHS

2001-11-01 Thread Branden Robinson
modify its xtt implementations to use fonts.scale.xtt directly. -- G. Branden Robinson| The only way to get rid of a Debian GNU/Linux | temptation is to yield to it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Oscar Wilde http://people.debian.org/~branden

TrueType fonts, Type1 fonts, X, and the FHS

2001-10-18 Thread Branden Robinson
directly into /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1, though I may go ahead and change this before woody releases if testing demonstrates that I can do it without breaking anything. Is there anything I'm missing? Any comments on the above? -- G. Branden Robinson| Communism is just one

Bug#114920: PROPOSAL] remove foolish consistency in perl module names

2001-10-08 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 06:56:30PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Raising the specter of versioned provides sure is a nice way to kill any forward progress at all, ain't it? What do you think we have Herbert Xu around for? -- G. Branden Robinson| The greatest productive force

marking 111025 as an amendment

2001-09-11 Thread Branden Robinson
retitle 111025 [AMENDMENT 2001-09-10] correcting ldconfig policy in Chapter 9 close 111025 The proposal in [EMAIL PROTECTED] by Steve M. Robbins has been seconded by: Branden Robinson[EMAIL PROTECTED] Julian Gilbey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Herbert Xu

Bug#111025: debian-policy: typo in chapter 9: ldconfig and pre/post scripts

2001-09-10 Thread Branden Robinson
I hereby second [EMAIL PROTECTED]. -- G. Branden Robinson| There's nothing an agnostic can't Debian GNU/Linux | do if he doesn't know whether he [EMAIL PROTECTED] | believes in it or not. http://people.debian.org/~branden

Bug#111025: debian-policy: typo in chapter 9: ldconfig and pre/post scripts

2001-09-05 Thread Branden Robinson
-- I personally went for far longer than I should I have without a good understanding of what is now Policy 6.5) may make it seem that way, but I see nothing wrong with the language above. -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | If encryption is outlawed

Re: Software Licenced Under a Specific Version of GPL

2001-08-30 Thread Branden Robinson
ordinarily send a me too message, but the assertion that removing or any later version violates the copyright on the GPL license text is completely erroneous. Where the language at issue appears is along with the copyright notice on the software, not inside the GPL license text itself. -- G. Branden

Bug#108416: Format of short description should be mandated

2001-08-22 Thread Branden Robinson
, simply due to our package count. -- G. Branden Robinson| The key to being a Southern Debian GNU/Linux | Baptist: It ain't a sin if you [EMAIL PROTECTED] | don't get caught. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Anthony

Bug#108416: Format of short description should be mandated

2001-08-20 Thread Branden Robinson
presently maintained? -- G. Branden Robinson|The errors of great men are Debian GNU/Linux |venerable because they are more [EMAIL PROTECTED] |fruitful than the truths of little http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |men. -- Friedrich

Bug#109182: Removing more historical cruft

2001-08-19 Thread Branden Robinson
. Branden Robinson|Men use thought only to justify Debian GNU/Linux |their wrong doings, and speech only [EMAIL PROTECTED] |to conceal their thoughts. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |-- Voltaire pgpdEI19F3ojv.pgp Description: PGP

Bug#108416: Format of short description should be mandated

2001-08-19 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 11:05:59PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: I guess it says something for policy not needing to be used as a stick; a mere 'should' has clearly sufficed. Well, if I downgrade my must not's to should not's, would you second the proposal? -- G. Branden Robinson

Bug#109171: Use Maildir format by default

2001-08-19 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Aug 19, 2001 at 01:32:12PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: and broken NFS locking. Is there any other kind? -- G. Branden Robinson| When dogma enters the brain, all Debian GNU/Linux | intellectual activity ceases. [EMAIL PROTECTED

Bug#100346: ACCEPTED 2001-08-18] permitting shared versions of libraries to not exist

2001-08-18 Thread Branden Robinson
retitle 100346 [ACCEPTED 2001-08-18] permitting shared versions of libraries to not exist forwarded 100346 [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks There has been no further discussion of this proposed amendemnt within the discussion period, therefore it is marked as accepted. -- G. Branden Robinson

Bug#108416: Format of short description should be mandated

2001-08-13 Thread Branden Robinson
- The GNU C compiler. gcc-3.0 - The GNU C compiler. gcc272 - The GNU C compiler. IMO, there is room here for just a little bit of clarification. -- G. Branden Robinson| It doesn't matter what you are Debian GNU/Linux | doing, emacs is always overkill. [EMAIL

Bug#108416: Format of short description should be mandated

2001-08-13 Thread Branden Robinson
know the significance of those releases? -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | If encryption is outlawed, only [EMAIL PROTECTED] | outlaws will @goH7Ok=q4fDj]Kz?. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpvG1i5qkJmH.pgp Description: PGP

Bug#108416: Format of short description should be mandated

2001-08-13 Thread Branden Robinson
. -- G. Branden Robinson| It doesn't matter what you are Debian GNU/Linux | doing, emacs is always overkill. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Stephen J. Carpenter http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpqJ4J1nlf1v.pgp Description: PGP signature

Bug#108416: Format of short description should be mandated

2001-08-13 Thread Branden Robinson
as much useful information into the short description as you can fit into the character limit without awkwardness, and without sacrificing comprehensibility. E.g, removing all vowels would be unacceptable. -- G. Branden Robinson| Suffer before God and ye shall be Debian GNU

Bug#108416: Format of short description should be mandated

2001-08-12 Thread Branden Robinson
a compliance rate of over 95%. Would that all the musts we actually *have* in policy could claim such success... -- G. Branden Robinson|Somebody once asked me if I thought Debian GNU/Linux |sex was dirty. I said, It is if [EMAIL PROTECTED

Bug#100346: [AMENDMENT 2001-07-30] permitting shared versions of libraries to not exist

2001-08-11 Thread Branden Robinson
]. Seconded by Branden Robinson on Sat, 28 Jul 2001 17:55:10 -0500 in Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Seconded by Manoj Srivastava on Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:36:57 -0500 in Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Full text of amendement, including edits from Manoj Srivastava and Richard Braakman follows. I

Bug#108416: Format of short description should be mandated

2001-08-11 Thread Branden Robinson
again not enough information, IMO I suggest: programs to perform lookups on DNS servers -- G. Branden Robinson| When I die I want to go peacefully Debian GNU/Linux | in my sleep like my ol' Grand [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Dad

Bug#100346: seconding this proposal

2001-07-31 Thread Branden Robinson
, it makes sense to drop this C reference as well, if we are in the process of changing the section. How much of a C reference is it? I think he meant the *.c part. -- G. Branden Robinson| The software said it required Debian GNU/Linux | Windows

Bug#100346: seconding this proposal

2001-07-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 05:55:10PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Per Manoj's suggestion, I'm adding the following text. In general, libraries must be available in both shared and static forms. In some cases

Bug#100346: seconding this proposal

2001-07-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 12:43:41AM +1000, Glenn wrote: On Sat, 28 Jul 2001 17:55:10 -0500 Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The shared version must be compiled with -fPIC, and the static version must not be. In other words, each *.c file will need to be compiled twice. What

Bug#100346: seconding this proposal

2001-07-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 10:49:02AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: Good work. I have some comments about it, though. I concur with your edits. Thanks! -- G. Branden Robinson| I must despise the world which does not Debian GNU/Linux | know that music

Bug#100346: seconding this proposal

2001-07-28 Thread Branden Robinson
, Wichert, would you guys care to second this proposal? -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | If ignorance is bliss, [EMAIL PROTECTED] | is omniscience hell? http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpUVLV5wTJxz.pgp

Re: Bug#102917: please change priority

2001-06-30 Thread Branden Robinson
System client libraries -- G. Branden Robinson| Measure with micrometer, Debian GNU/Linux | mark with chalk, [EMAIL PROTECTED] | cut with axe, http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | hope like hell.

Bug#99933: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-12 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 11:43:10PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 10:27:43PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Why are you CC'ing me? Are you interested in having a discussion of these issues, or just in provoking me by filling my inbox? I Cc'd you because you didn't have

Bug#99933: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-12 Thread Branden Robinson
was famously derided as being a language designed by focus group. -- G. Branden Robinson |There's nothing an agnostic can't do Debian GNU/Linux|if he doesn't know whether he believes [EMAIL PROTECTED] |in it or not. http://www.debian.org/~branden

Bug#99933: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-11 Thread Branden Robinson
markup, not semantic distinctions. For instance, people who chat with me on IRC can deduce my meaning whether or not I elect to use bold and/or inverse text, and in fact that's why people get yelled at when they do it. -- G. Branden Robinson | Debian GNU/Linux

Bug#99933: Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-11 Thread Branden Robinson
my inbox? -- G. Branden Robinson | If you have the slightest bit of Debian GNU/Linux| intellectual integrity you cannot [EMAIL PROTECTED] | support the government. http://www.debian.org/~branden/ | -- anonymous pgp94VJH16gDq.pgp

#91257 accepted

2001-05-22 Thread Branden Robinson
retitle 91257 [ACCEPTED 2001-05-22] changes to X font policy forwarded 91257 [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks Amendment was accepted without discussion. -- G. Branden Robinson |I suspect Linus wrote that in a Debian GNU/Linux|complicated way only to be able to have

91252 accepted

2001-05-17 Thread Branden Robinson
retitle 91252 [ACCEPTED 2001-05-17] enhanced x-terminal-emulator policy, second try forwarded 91252 [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks Amendment was accepted without discussion. -- G. Branden Robinson | You could wire up a dead rat to a DIMM Debian GNU/Linux| socket

Re: tasks: counterproposal (and implimentation)

2001-05-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:05:22PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: - With package sets, it is delivered ... ? In a package called package-sets-progeny, and manipulated via binaries in the packages pkgset-tools and pkgset-tools-gnome. -- G. Branden Robinson | What influenced me

Re: tasks: counterproposal (and implimentation)

2001-05-12 Thread Branden Robinson
of the Gnus news reader that is newer than the version included with XEmacs. You can override the contents (off the top of my head, not sure about the description) by creating a file in, e.g., /etc/package-sets/xemacs.contents . -- G. Branden Robinson | Experience should teach us

ATTN: font package maintainers

2001-05-11 Thread Branden Robinson
, look for a message from me with the subject re-proposing this in the debian-policy list archives. Please email your GPG clearsigned second to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G. Branden Robinson | I've made up my mind. Don't try to Debian GNU/Linux| confuse me

this proposal becoming an amendment

2001-05-11 Thread Branden Robinson
close 91257 reopen 91257 retitle 91257 [AMENDMENT 2001-05-11] changes to X font policy severity 91257 normal thanks Per these seconds: Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G. Branden Robinson

Bug#91257: I always forget SOMETHING

2001-05-11 Thread Branden Robinson
I propose a 10-day discussion period for this amendment. -- G. Branden Robinson|No math genius, eh? Then perhaps you Debian GNU/Linux |could explain to me where you got [EMAIL PROTECTED] |these... http://deadbeast.net/~branden

Re: Defaults for satisfying dependencies - ordering gone?

2001-05-10 Thread Branden Robinson
would thus depend on the build environment even more than they already do. Maybe that isn't a big deal, but it feels wrong to me. -- G. Branden Robinson | It's not a matter of alienating authors. Debian GNU/Linux| They have every right to license their [EMAIL

Bug#91257: re-proposing this

2001-05-07 Thread Branden Robinson
, do not fit this definition. Any tool + which makes such fonts available to the X Window System, + however, must abide by this font policy. -- G. Branden Robinson | Men use thought only to justify their Debian GNU/Linux| wrong doings

Bug#66023: PROPOSAL] Re: Shared libs vs. plugins.

2001-05-07 Thread Branden Robinson
. If they can't be bothered to pay that much attention, they should either not second it in the first, or be prepared to accept that they might lend their support to proposals with which they disagree. Remember, policy is supposed to be a lightweight process. -- G. Branden Robinson

91252 becoming an amendment

2001-05-06 Thread Branden Robinson
amendment, and suggest a 10-day discussion period. -- G. Branden Robinson|It was a typical net.exercise -- a Debian GNU/Linux |screaming mob pounding on a greasy spot [EMAIL PROTECTED] |on the pavement, where used to lie the http://deadbeast.net

Bug#91257: re-proposing this

2001-05-06 Thread Branden Robinson
+ must occur in both the ttpostinst/tt (for all + arguments) and ttpostrm/tt (for all arguments except + ttupgrade/tt) scripts. /item item Font packages must not provide alias names for the -- G. Branden Robinson

Bug#91257: re-proposing this

2001-05-06 Thread Branden Robinson
the footnote that IMMEDIATELY followed the text you quoted? -- G. Branden Robinson | Yesterday upon the stair, Debian GNU/Linux| I met a man who wasn't there. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | He wasn't there again today, http://www.debian.org/~branden

Bug#93975: Make shared libs non-mandatory.

2001-04-14 Thread Branden Robinson
to the soname incrementation rules. I really, really, really, don't miss crap like glib1.1.12_1.1.12-1, glib1.1.15_1.1.15-1, etc. -- G. Branden Robinson | Psychology is really biology. Debian GNU/Linux| Biology is really chemistry. [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: .text or .txt

2001-04-12 Thread Branden Robinson
-object. .txt, while evocative of a well-known old operating system's extremely limited filesystem, is about as close to a universal signifier for a plain text file as exists. Deviating from that seems a bit silly. -- G. Branden Robinson |The greatest productive force is human Debian

Re: Definition of alphanumeric?

2001-04-02 Thread Branden Robinson
a convenience variable set by GNU make is as valid as anything POSIX says. What? Manoj, prone to knee-jerk conservativism? Never. /me grins evilly and hides -- G. Branden Robinson |There's nothing an agnostic can't do Debian GNU/Linux|if he doesn't know

Bug#91252: PROPOSED] enhanced x-terminal-emulator policy, second try

2001-03-30 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 01:50:23PM -1000, Brian Russo wrote: On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 02:22:54AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: + pTo be an ttx-terminal-emulator/tt, a program must: + list + itemBe able to emulate a DEC VT100 terminal, or a compatible + terminal.item

Bug#91276: PROPOSED 2001/03/25] update policy to match new serious severity

2001-03-27 Thread Branden Robinson
* policy proposals, especially mine... -- G. Branden Robinson | It doesn't matter what you are doing, Debian GNU/Linux| emacs is always overkill. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Stephen J. Carpenter http://www.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpaVh2myEOAZ.pgp

forgot to upgrade severities

2001-03-27 Thread Branden Robinson
severity 91249 normal severity 91259 normal severity 91260 normal severity 91261 normal thanks While I'm here, I will reiterate that I have proposed a 10-day formal discussion period for all of these amendments, per Policy Process 3.5. -- G. Branden Robinson| I have a truly

Re: Bug#91276: PROPOSED 2001/03/25] update policy to match new serious severity

2001-03-27 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 03:15:17AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: But no, It's all a plot against Branden is a much better explanation. Let's go with that instead. Oh, I don't think there's anything so calculating at the root of it. -- G. Branden Robinson |The greatest productive

Bug#91261: PROPOSED] modernized rewording of X/Motif policy

2001-03-27 Thread Branden Robinson
the phenomenon of OpenMotif as a non-event, and I don't think I'm alone in that assessment. But if you have any suggestions for specific wording changes in the proposal, I'm open to them. -- G. Branden Robinson | To stay young requires unceasing Debian GNU/Linux

Bug#91261: PROPOSED] modernized rewording of X/Motif policy

2001-03-27 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 02:29:55PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: On 27-Mar-01, 12:09 (CST), Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 10:56:31AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: If OpenMotif is in the distribution, why do packages need to provide a statically linked

Bug#91257: seconded, in one condition

2001-03-26 Thread Branden Robinson
[CC'ing you, Bob, just to diagnose the problem] On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 11:15:32AM -0500, Bob Hilliard wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [I read the policy mailing list; while you may feel your points are so important that they merit my attention in my personal inbox

Re: TrueType and non-free X fonts?

2001-03-26 Thread Branden Robinson
and cyrillic directories are excepted for historical reasons, but installation of files into these directories remains discouraged.) In the recent proposal for policy change made by Branden Robinson, the word `should' is replaced by `must'. The policy says nothing about TrueType

Bug#91252: [PROPOSED] enhanced x-terminal-emulator policy, second try

2001-03-25 Thread Branden Robinson
+ and runs the specified emphcommand/emph./item + itemSupport the command-line option tt-T/tt + emphtitle/emph, which creates a new terminal window + with the window title emphtitle/emph./item + /list /p p -- G. Branden Robinson

Bug#91257: [PROPOSED] changes to X font policy

2001-03-25 Thread Branden Robinson
item Font packages must not provide alias names for the -- G. Branden Robinson | To stay young requires unceasing Debian GNU/Linux| cultivation of the ability to unlearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] | old falsehoods. http

Bug#91259: [PROPOSED] minor changes to app-defaults policy

2001-03-25 Thread Branden Robinson
to destroy a - previously-existing tt/etc/X11/Xresources/tt file which - had been customized by the system administrator. + previously-existing tt/etc/X11/Xresources/tt file which had + been customized by the system administrator. /p p -- G. Branden

Bug#91260: [PROPOSED] reclarifying the policy about X and the FHS

2001-03-25 Thread Branden Robinson
counterparts + tt/usr/X11R6/bin//tt, tt/usr/X11R6/include/X11//tt, and + tt/usr/X11R6/lib/X11//tt, if the resources being referred to + have not been moved to other FHS-compliant locations. /p p -- G. Branden Robinson|Any man who does not realize

Bug#91261: [PROPOSED] modernized rewording of X/Motif policy

2001-03-25 Thread Branden Robinson
), it is the package maintainer's responsibility to + determine whether this is permitted by the license of the copy of + Motif in his or her possession. /p /sect -- G. Branden Robinson| Damnit, we're all going to die; let's Debian GNU/Linux

Bug#91249: PROPOSED] bring X support policy into line with must/should/may usage

2001-03-25 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 05:54:08PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 01:57:53AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: + requirements when using the X Window System. If such a package + is of higher priority than the X packages on which it depends, it + is required

Bug#91257: PROPOSED] changes to X font policy

2001-03-25 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 06:29:47PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 03:08:30AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: * Some rewording to reflect the new must/should/may policy. - Fonts of any type supported by the X Window System - should

Bug#91249: PROPOSED] bring X support policy into line with must/should/may usage

2001-03-25 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 06:58:29PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 03:50:34AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: You seem to be explicitly ignoring the third option (the first listed). Why? *shrug* It's not clear to me that it's possible in these cases. In the case

Re: Bug#91257: [PROPOSED] changes to X font policy

2001-03-25 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 07:07:40PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 03:08:30AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: * Some rewording to reflect the new must/should/may policy. BTW, I'm inclined to think it'd be a good idea for people who want to add a must requirement

Bug#91257: PROPOSED] changes to X font policy

2001-03-25 Thread Branden Robinson
from the distribution? -- G. Branden Robinson |You live and learn. Debian GNU/Linux|Or you don't live long. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-- Robert Heinlein http://www.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpi5L9j4fyaZ.pgp Description: PGP

Bug#91257: PROPOSED] changes to X font policy

2001-03-25 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 07:21:29PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 04:18:55AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 07:04:53PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Certainly, having split packages would make it *easier* to cope with this, and that's a good

Bug#91249: PROPOSED] bring X support policy into line with must/should/may usage

2001-03-25 Thread Branden Robinson
. In the meantime, would anyone care to second the proposal that is actually pending? :( -- G. Branden Robinson | Debian GNU/Linux| If God had intended for man to go about [EMAIL PROTECTED] | naked, we would have been born that way. http://www.debian.org

Bug#91260: PROPOSED] reclarifying the policy about X and the FHS

2001-03-25 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 10:17:02PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 03:38:44AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: --- policy.sgml Sun Mar 25 01:34:33 2001 +++ policy.sgml.x-and-fhs Sun Mar 25 03:34:00 2001 - This means that files must not be installed

Bug#91249: PROPOSED] bring X support policy into line with must/should/may usage

2001-03-25 Thread Branden Robinson
no higher than the packages on which it depends (including any X packages). I feel that this logically follows from the proposal and from existing policy, but I wanted to be absolutely clear about it. -- G. Branden Robinson |I suspect Linus wrote that in a Debian GNU/Linux

Bug#91260: Clarification: reclarifying the policy about X and the FHS

2001-03-25 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 03:38:44AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: * this makes an exemption for imake-using packages explicit, and explains why in a footnote I'd like to amend my proposal in one small respect: + The tt/usr/X11R6//tt directory + hierarchy should be regarded

Bug#91257: seconded, in one condition

2001-03-25 Thread Branden Robinson
in line with the existing app-defaults policy.) -- G. Branden Robinson | To stay young requires unceasing Debian GNU/Linux| cultivation of the ability to unlearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] | old falsehoods. http://www.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Robert

these proposals becoming amendments

2001-03-25 Thread Branden Robinson
a 10-day formal discussion period for these amendments, per Policy Process 3.5. I cannot GPG-sign this message because the bot at [EMAIL PROTECTED] is too stupid. -- G. Branden Robinson | Yesterday upon the stair, Debian GNU/Linux| I met a man who

Bug#91257: seconded, in one condition

2001-03-25 Thread Branden Robinson
. -- G. Branden Robinson | Debian GNU/Linux| Mob rule isn't any prettier just because [EMAIL PROTECTED] | you call your mob a government. http://www.debian.org/~branden/ | pgplS5TyMznfW.pgp Description: PGP signature

Bug#91257: seconded, in one condition

2001-03-25 Thread Branden Robinson
[you continue to CC me personally; is this some sort of sport for you?] On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 02:24:23PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 10:57:26PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: In fact, perhaps we ought to re-examine why we even have Debian Policy when you can just

Bug#90511: proposal] disallow multi-distribution uploads

2001-03-21 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 12:45:31PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: diff -urN debian-policy-3.5.2.0.orig/policy.sgml debian-policy-3.5.2.0/policy.sgml [snip] Seconded. -- G. Branden Robinson |Software engineering: that part of Debian GNU/Linux|computer science

Re: [control] continuation lines on relation fields ?

2001-03-18 Thread Branden Robinson
, yes. Which makes sense, considering we are dealing with RFC822 syntax. I believe that sbuild expects them to be on only one line. And requiring them to be on one line sure does make grepping easy. -- G. Branden Robinson | Human beings rarely imagine a god that Debian GNU/Linux

Re: Bug#83924: upgrading-checklist.text should mention DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS specifically

2001-03-07 Thread Branden Robinson
with this unstripped binary. That usually shuts them up pretty quick. It's amazing how the people that complain about segfaults can't ever be bothered to run even a single gdb command. -- G. Branden Robinson | Men use thought only to justify their Debian GNU/Linux

Bug#87828: PROPOSAL] Deprecate confusing Build-Depends arch syntax

2001-03-07 Thread Branden Robinson
. -- G. Branden Robinson |America is at that awkward stage. It's Debian GNU/Linux|too late to work within the system, but [EMAIL PROTECTED] |too early to shoot the bastards. http://www.debian.org/~branden/ |--Claire Wolfe pgp0USj2K2W3O.pgp

Bug#83063: PROPOSED] enhanced x-terminal-emulator policy

2001-01-24 Thread Branden Robinson
proposal than do that. -- G. Branden Robinson | If you make people think they're Debian GNU/Linux| thinking, they'll love you; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | but if you really make them think, http://www.debian.org/~branden/ | they'll hate you

Bug#83063: PROPOSED] enhanced x-terminal-emulator policy

2001-01-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 01:48:31PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 04:43:12AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: I think this change should say something about full screen support. On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 09:43:39AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Full screen support? What does

Bug#83063: PROPOSED] enhanced x-terminal-emulator policy

2001-01-22 Thread Branden Robinson
emulates a printer, why is it called a terminal emulator? -- G. Branden Robinson | To stay young requires unceasing Debian GNU/Linux| cultivation of the ability to unlearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] | old falsehoods. http://www.debian.org/~branden

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