Your message dated Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:57:51 -0300 with message-id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and subject line I give up has caused the attached Bug report to be marked as done.
This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with. If this is not the case it is now your responsibility to reopen the Bug report if necessary, and/or fix the problem forthwith. (NB: If you are a system administrator and have no idea what I am talking about this indicates a serious mail system misconfiguration somewhere. Please contact me immediately.) Darren Benham (administrator, Debian Bugs database) -------------------------------------- Received: (at submit) by bugs.debian.org; 19 Aug 2001 01:39:20 +0000 >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Aug 18 20:39:20 2001 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from itaipu.nitnet.com.br [200.255.111.241] by master.debian.org with smtp (Exim 3.12 1 (Debian)) id 15YHYb-0000Bo-00; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 20:39:18 -0500 Received: (qmail 3684 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2001 01:50:24 -0000 Received: from salzburg.nitnet.com.br (HELO flower.cesarb) (200.198.84.62) by itaipu.nitnet.com.br with SMTP; 19 Aug 2001 01:50:24 -0000 Received: from cesarb by flower.cesarb with local (Exim 3.31 #1 (Debian)) id 15YHY9-0001Q8-00; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 22:38:49 -0300 From: Cesar Eduardo Barros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Debian Bug Tracking System <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Removing more historical cruft X-Reportbug-Version: 1.23 X-Mailer: reportbug 1.23 Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 22:38:49 -0300 Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sender: Cesar Eduardo Barros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Package: debian-policy Version: 3.5.6.0 Severity: wishlist Some time ago (ok, a lot of time ago), lots of things were changed in the filesystem (I can particulary recall the gradual phasing-out and elimination of /usr/tmp and /var/adm). Now I think it's time to go on and move some more things. There are a number of binaries which should go into /bin instead of /sbin or /usr/sbin -- the full argument is at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2001/debian-devel-200106/msg00878.html I have only one thing to add to that list: traceroute should be moved, _not_ to /usr/bin as lots of people claim, but to /bin . It's as necessary and useful as ping to diagnose networking trouble, and /usr might be mounted via NFS through a gateway -- exactly what we want to diagnose. Same for the ipv6 versions of ping and traceroute. For a counter-argument, look at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2001/debian-devel-200106/msg00945.html (which says only traceroute belongs to bin and not other tools like ifconfig). To do it, the only needed things would be a small amount of relative symlinks. After some releases (in Debian time, this means some years), most of the symlinks would go away. Much like /usr/tmp and /var/adm. If this is rejected, I still think that at least traceroute should be moved out of /usr (whether it's /bin or /sbin doesn't matter much when the network is down and /usr is NFS-mounted). -- System Information Debian Release: testing/unstable Architecture: i386 Kernel: Linux flower 2.4.7 #1 Sat Jul 21 20:57:24 BRT 2001 i686 Locale: LANG=en_US.ISO8859-1, LC_CTYPE=en_US.ISO8859-1 Versions of packages debian-policy depends on: ii fileutils 4.1-2 GNU file management utilities. --------------------------------------- Received: (at 109182-close) by bugs.debian.org; 19 Aug 2001 19:58:16 +0000 >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Aug 19 14:58:16 2001 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from itaipu.nitnet.com.br [200.255.111.241] by master.debian.org with smtp (Exim 3.12 1 (Debian)) id 15YYi4-0002ho-00; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 14:58:14 -0500 Received: (qmail 17863 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2001 20:09:31 -0000 Received: from salzburg.nitnet.com.br (HELO flower.cesarb) (200.198.84.62) by itaipu.nitnet.com.br with SMTP; 19 Aug 2001 20:09:31 -0000 Received: from cesarb by flower.cesarb with local (Exim 3.31 #1 (Debian)) id 15YYhk-0000Yd-00 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:57:52 -0300 Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:57:51 -0300 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: I give up Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.20i From: Cesar Eduardo Barros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I filed this bug expecting a rational discussion about the moving of other things to /bin (I already gave up on traceroute), like mke2fs (no, there's no real reason why a normal user would want to create a disk image... Even if he has write access to /dev/fd0 and could use dd to write it there... He also can't run UML, so he really has no use for it...). I'm closing this bug to prevent another flamewar like the last one in debian-devel. -- Cesar Eduardo Barros [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]