Bug#87510: PROPOSAL] Make build dependencies a MUST

2001-03-01 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 12:01:40PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 11:01:53PM +, Julian Gilbey wrote: I just checked: in policy 3.1.1.1, they were a MUST (section 2.4.2). I don't know when that got lost. So we'll go back to it. Must/Should/May only had given

Bug#87510: PROPOSAL] Make build dependencies a MUST

2001-03-01 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 10:54:48AM +, Julian Gilbey wrote: What *is* reasonable is to say I don't yet have time to deal with this. So the source dependencies are a MUST, but we don't yet file RC bugs, probably not even normal bugs against missing source dependencies. We can partially

Bug#87510: PROPOSAL] Make build dependencies a MUST

2001-03-01 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 10:54:48AM +, Julian Gilbey wrote: On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 12:01:40PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 11:01:53PM +, Julian Gilbey wrote: I just checked: in policy 3.1.1.1, they were a MUST (section 2.4.2). I don't know when that got

Bug#87510: PROPOSAL] Make build dependencies a MUST

2001-03-01 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 10:54:48AM +, Julian Gilbey wrote: [So I guess that we stick with debian/rules MUST be makefiles as well!] Eh? Until there's an accepted amendment to change it, yes. Heh, when did that happen? That has never been obligatory, and

Bug#87510: PROPOSAL] Make build dependencies a MUST

2001-03-01 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 02:12:04PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 10:54:48AM +, Julian Gilbey wrote: [So I guess that we stick with debian/rules MUST be makefiles as well!] Eh? Until there's an accepted amendment to change it,

Bug#87510: PROPOSAL] Make build dependencies a MUST

2001-03-01 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 01:12:47PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 10:54:48AM +, Julian Gilbey wrote: What *is* reasonable is to say I don't yet have time to deal with this. So the source dependencies are a MUST, but we don't yet file RC bugs, probably not even

Bug#87510: PROPOSAL] Make build dependencies a MUST

2001-02-28 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 11:01:53PM +, Julian Gilbey wrote: I just checked: in policy 3.1.1.1, they were a MUST (section 2.4.2). I don't know when that got lost. So we'll go back to it. Must/Should/May only had given meanings in 3.2.1.0, so it was an accepted amendment to change that must

Bug#87510: PROPOSAL] Make build dependencies a MUST

2001-02-25 Thread Brian Russo
On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 01:15:29PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 01:04:47PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 01:41:40AM +, Julian Gilbey wrote: Policy should now require packages to specify build time dependencies (i.e., packages which require

Bug#87510: PROPOSAL] Make build dependencies a MUST

2001-02-25 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Feb 24, 2001 at 07:59:17PM -1000, Brian Russo wrote: I can't speak first hand, but only from some of the bug reports I've received occasionally, and I think this makes the auto builder's job just at least a bit easier (having buil-depends) Certainly. I think it should be MUST for sid

Bug#87510: PROPOSAL] Make build dependencies a MUST

2001-02-25 Thread Richard Braakman
On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 08:39:23PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: If you want packages to support build-depends, start filing wishlist bugs against packages that don't have build-depends. If you want to actually do something particularly useful, work out what each package's build dependencies are

Bug#87510: PROPOSAL] Make build dependencies a MUST

2001-02-25 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20010225T014140+, Julian Gilbey wrote: Policy should now require packages to specify build time dependencies (i.e., packages which require ... MUST specify...) Build time dependencies have been in policy for 18 months already. Seconded. BTW, this was how I intended it when I wrote

Bug#87510: PROPOSAL] Make build dependencies a MUST

2001-02-25 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20010225T141840+0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: On 20010225T014140+, Julian Gilbey wrote: Policy should now require packages to specify build time dependencies (i.e., packages which require ... MUST specify...) Build time dependencies have been in policy for 18 months already.

Bug#87510: PROPOSAL] Make build dependencies a MUST

2001-02-25 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 02:40:24PM +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: On 20010225T141840+0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: On 20010225T014140+, Julian Gilbey wrote: Policy should now require packages to specify build time dependencies (i.e., packages which require ... MUST

Bug#87510: PROPOSAL] Make build dependencies a MUST

2001-02-25 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 12:59:14PM +, Julian Gilbey wrote: I want to see the diff to policy. It's possible to wreck this whole thijng with careless wording. 2.4.2. Package relationships -Source packages should specify which binary packages they

Bug#87510: PROPOSAL] Make build dependencies a MUST

2001-02-25 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20010225T131051+, Julian Gilbey wrote: Of course, with the question of empty dependency lists, there's a problem Indeed, and I'd like that to be explicitly addressed somewhere. -- %%% Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://www.iki.fi/gaia/ %%%

Bug#87510: PROPOSAL] Make build dependencies a MUST

2001-02-25 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 01:14:47PM +0200, Richard Braakman wrote: I make this point from self-interest. I have a few packages like that, and I'd prefer not to get one misguided bugreport after another (not to mention Lintian warnings) about them not having Build-Depends. So please keep

Bug#87510: PROPOSAL] Make build dependencies a MUST

2001-02-25 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 03:26:08PM +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: On 20010225T131051+, Julian Gilbey wrote: Of course, with the question of empty dependency lists, there's a problem Indeed, and I'd like that to be explicitly addressed somewhere. But it's essentially impossible

Bug#87510: PROPOSAL] Make build dependencies a MUST

2001-02-25 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 12:59:14PM +, Julian Gilbey wrote: But Anthony does have a good point, though. ...which I'm still not sure people are grokking. Here's some more explanation: 1) Policy is meant to document existing practice. If Build-depends are a neat new feature that can be

Bug#87510: PROPOSAL] Make build dependencies a MUST

2001-02-25 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 12:16:56AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 12:59:14PM +, Julian Gilbey wrote: But Anthony does have a good point, though. ...which I'm still not sure people are grokking. Here's some more explanation: I agree with everything you've pointed

Bug#87510: [PROPOSAL] Make build dependencies a MUST

2001-02-24 Thread Julian Gilbey
Package: debian-policy Version: 3.5.2.0 Severity: wishlist Policy should now require packages to specify build time dependencies (i.e., packages which require ... MUST specify...) Build time dependencies have been in policy for 18 months already. Julian --

Bug#87510: PROPOSAL] Make build dependencies a MUST

2001-02-24 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, Julian Gilbey wrote: Package: debian-policy Version: 3.5.2.0 Severity: wishlist Policy should now require packages to specify build time dependencies (i.e., packages which require ... MUST specify...) seconded. yours,

Bug#87510: PROPOSAL] Make build dependencies a MUST

2001-02-24 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Julian Gilbey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20010225 01:41]: Policy should now require packages to specify build time dependencies (i.e., packages which require ... MUST specify...) Seconded. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpMyoivaS0ld.pgp Description: PGP signature

Bug#87510: PROPOSAL] Make build dependencies a MUST

2001-02-24 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 01:41:40AM +, Julian Gilbey wrote: Package: debian-policy Version: 3.5.2.0 Severity: wishlist Policy should now require packages to specify build time dependencies (i.e., packages which require ... MUST specify...) I object to this; in sid there are 4284 source

Bug#87510: PROPOSAL] Make build dependencies a MUST

2001-02-24 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 04:12:33AM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote: If you'd like to change this, please file wishlist bugs against packages that don't have Build-Depends, with the correct Build-Depends: line. Once we're at, say, 90% of packages (another 1618 packages away) supporting