Re: Should we allow packages to depend on packages with lower priority values?

2003-12-23 Thread Jakob Bohm
On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 04:18:14PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 03:17:19PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > > Let A and B both be packages that provide virtual package C. A is the > > default C in Debian, and is therefore Priority: important. A depends > > on E and F, which must

Re: Should we allow packages to depend on packages with lower priority values?

2003-12-20 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 06:01:17 -0700, Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >From my experience as a user, package categories complicate user >understanding without any apparent benefit. When I first read about >them I was puzzled as to why they exist. My current thinking is that >they somehow sim

Re: Should we allow packages to depend on packages with lower priority values?

2003-12-20 Thread Paul E Condon
On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 01:05:08PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:25:07 -0700, Paul E Condon > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >My understanding of the issue in the original post of this thread is > >that situations can arrise where Debian policy forbids including some > >package on

Re: Should we allow packages to depend on packages with lower priority values?

2003-12-20 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:25:07 -0700, Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >My understanding of the issue in the original post of this thread is >that situations can arrise where Debian policy forbids including some >package on a CD in a way that the poster thinks it should be >included. I suppos

Re: Should we allow packages to depend on packages with lower priority values?

2003-12-19 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 03:17:19PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > Let A and B both be packages that provide virtual package C. A is the > default C in Debian, and is therefore Priority: important. A depends > on E and F, which must be Priority: important as well, as required by > current Policy. > > No

Re: Should we allow packages to depend on packages with lower priority values?

2003-12-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 05:25:07PM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: > My understanding of the issue in the original post of this thread is > that situations can arrise where Debian policy forbids including some > package on a CD in a way that the poster thinks it should be > included. Meh. They're hint

Re: Should we allow packages to depend on packages with lower priority values?

2003-12-12 Thread Bill Allombert
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 09:31:49AM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: > I've just read Policy on this issue again, and more carefully. I think > Policy is slightly broken, in its description of 'extra' > > 1. Extra can include packages that conflict with packages in > 'required'. How can such packages b

Re: Should we allow packages to depend on packages with lower priority values?

2003-12-11 Thread Paul E Condon
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 09:21:34PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 12:13:32PM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: > > So, using your example, shouldn't there be a virtual package "dawk" > > (Debian awk) that is 'required' > > Virtual packages do not have priorities. > > > My point

Re: Should we allow packages to depend on packages with lower priority values?

2003-12-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 12:13:32PM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: > So, using your example, shouldn't there be a virtual package "dawk" > (Debian awk) that is 'required' Virtual packages do not have priorities. > My point? There is probably no single set of packages that provide the > 'required' fun

Re: Should we allow packages to depend on packages with lower priority values?

2003-12-11 Thread Paul E Condon
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 06:08:05PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 09:31:49AM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: > [...] > > I've just read Policy on this issue again, and more carefully. I think > > Policy is slightly broken, in its description of 'extra' > > > 1. Extra can inclu

Re: Should we allow packages to depend on packages with lower priority values?

2003-12-11 Thread Andreas Metzler
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 09:31:49AM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: [...] > I've just read Policy on this issue again, and more carefully. I think > Policy is slightly broken, in its description of 'extra' > 1. Extra can include packages that conflict with packages in > 'required'. How can such packag

Re: Should we allow packages to depend on packages with lower priority values?

2003-12-11 Thread Bastian Blank
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 03:17:19PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > I don't see other reasons behind the requirement, but am of course > open to arguments. Did I overlook something? We work on dependency resolving while bootstraping the system. parsing the whole Packages files needs at least 6mb additio

Re: Should we allow packages to depend on packages with lower priority values?

2003-12-11 Thread Paul E Condon
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 03:17:19PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > Policy 2.5 says that packages must not depend on packages with lower > priority values. From what I tried to research, that rule is meant to > allow CD builders to build "Debian foo standard" CDs containing > required, important and stan

Re: Should we allow packages to depend on packages with lower priority values?

2003-12-10 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:56:07 +0100 (CET), Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Because the fact that there should not be conflicts among optional or >higher packages often forces Debian to choose which one, among a set >of packages which conflict at each other, should be the optional or >the st

Re: Should we allow packages to depend on packages with lower priority values?

2003-12-09 Thread Santiago Vila
Marc Haber wrote: > Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Marc Haber wrote: > >> Policy 2.5 says that packages must not depend on packages with lower > >> priority values. From what I tried to research, that rule is meant to > >> allow CD builders to build "Debian foo stan

Re: Should we allow packages to depend on packages with lower priority values?

2003-12-08 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:21:28 +0100 (CET), Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Marc Haber wrote: >> Policy 2.5 says that packages must not depend on packages with lower >> priority values. From what I tried to research, that rule is meant to >> allow CD builders to build "De

Re: Should we allow packages to depend on packages with lower priority values?

2003-12-08 Thread Santiago Vila
On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Marc Haber wrote: > Policy 2.5 says that packages must not depend on packages with lower > priority values. From what I tried to research, that rule is meant to > allow CD builders to build "Debian foo standard" CDs containing > required, important and standard packages, guaran

Re: Should we allow packages to depend on packages with lower priority values?

2003-12-08 Thread Raphael Goulais
Hi Marc, > Today, it is trivial to build dependency-complete "Debian standard" > CDs by including required, important and standard packages and > following down the dependency chain. I had to read the mail twice to understand your point :) > I don't see other reasons behind the requirement, but

Should we allow packages to depend on packages with lower priority values?

2003-12-08 Thread Marc Haber
Policy 2.5 says that packages must not depend on packages with lower priority values. From what I tried to research, that rule is meant to allow CD builders to build "Debian foo standard" CDs containing required, important and standard packages, guaranteed that all dependencies are satisfied just f