Re: dpkg: The Installed-Size estimate can be wrong by a factor of 8 or a difference of 100MB

2015-01-07 Thread Johannes Schauer
Hi, I'm reviving this old bug as this came recently up again in the context of ReproducibleBuilds. On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:06:42 +0100 Helmut Grohne wrote: > The actual problem > ~~ > Problems with Installed-Size are not exactly new as discussion in > http://bugs.debian.org/534408

Re: developers-reference: Acknowledging NMUs (was: Debian Developer's Reference)

2015-01-07 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Tue, 2015-01-06 at 13:25:39 +0100, Jörg Frings-Fürst wrote: > I think in 5.11.4 the sentence > > "If you do not acknowledge the NMU by including the NMU changelog entry > in your changelog," > > can be misinterpreted. > > After some discussions it is consensus that all changelog entries

Re: developers-reference: Acknowledging NMUs

2015-01-07 Thread Simon McVittie
On 07/01/15 15:43, Guillem Jover wrote: > On Tue, 2015-01-06 at 13:25:39 +0100, Jörg Frings-Fürst wrote: >> After some discussions it is consensus that all changelog entries must >> included. > > I don't agree with this. If the NMU is not good, or I don't agree with > it, I'll not be including the

Re: Bug#650077: dpkg: The Installed-Size estimate can be wrong by a factor of 8 or a difference of 100MB

2015-01-07 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Wed, Jan 07, 2015 at 12:22:47PM +0100, Johannes Schauer wrote: > It is also worth asking what functionality the Installed-Size field is > supposed > to have when looking for a solution. It's primary purpose is probably to give > apt a clue of whether or not there is enough free space to install

Re: Bug#650077: dpkg: The Installed-Size estimate can be wrong by a factor of 8 or a difference of 100MB

2015-01-07 Thread Simon McVittie
On 07/01/15 18:53, Helmut Grohne wrote: > Consider Alice. She wants to install foo, which has a good approximation > for her filesystem. Unfortunately, it is too big to be installed. Thus > she looks at other packages and determines that she no longer needs bar. > Duly she issues "apt-get install f

Re: dpkg: The Installed-Size estimate can be wrong by a factor of 8 or a difference of 100MB

2015-01-07 Thread Guillem Jover
[ Reincluding dpkg-bugs. :) ] Hi! On Wed, 2015-01-07 at 12:22:47 +0100, Johannes Schauer wrote: > On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:06:42 +0100 Helmut Grohne wrote: > > Discussion > > ~~ > > In the example of libjs-mathjax the reason for the huge difference is > > the inclusion of a large number of

Re: dpkg: The Installed-Size estimate can be wrong by a factor of 8 or a difference of 100MB

2015-01-07 Thread Russ Allbery
Guillem Jover writes: > On Wed, 2015-01-07 at 12:22:47 +0100, Johannes Schauer wrote: >> It is also worth asking what functionality the Installed-Size field is >> supposed to have when looking for a solution. It's primary purpose is >> probably to give apt a clue of whether or not there is enough

Re: dpkg: The Installed-Size estimate can be wrong by a factor of 8 or a difference of 100MB

2015-01-07 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Wed, 2015-01-07 at 20:58:55 +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > Hmm does anyone know what is done in the rpm-world, probably > by yum (otherwise I might take a look)? Ok, I checked yum and rpm, and the disk space and inode usage delta is tracked in rpm itself. It just adds a "problem" to the tra