Re: dpkg: The Installed-Size estimate can be wrong by a factor of 8 or a difference of 100MB

2015-01-07 Thread Johannes Schauer
Hi, I'm reviving this old bug as this came recently up again in the context of ReproducibleBuilds. On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:06:42 +0100 Helmut Grohne hel...@subdivi.de wrote: The actual problem ~~ Problems with Installed-Size are not exactly new as discussion in

Re: dpkg: The Installed-Size estimate can be wrong by a factor of 8 or a difference of 100MB

2015-01-07 Thread Russ Allbery
Guillem Jover guil...@debian.org writes: On Wed, 2015-01-07 at 12:22:47 +0100, Johannes Schauer wrote: It is also worth asking what functionality the Installed-Size field is supposed to have when looking for a solution. It's primary purpose is probably to give apt a clue of whether or not

Re: Bug#650077: dpkg: The Installed-Size estimate can be wrong by a factor of 8 or a difference of 100MB

2015-01-07 Thread Simon McVittie
On 07/01/15 18:53, Helmut Grohne wrote: Consider Alice. She wants to install foo, which has a good approximation for her filesystem. Unfortunately, it is too big to be installed. Thus she looks at other packages and determines that she no longer needs bar. Duly she issues apt-get install foo

Re: dpkg: The Installed-Size estimate can be wrong by a factor of 8 or a difference of 100MB

2015-01-07 Thread Guillem Jover
[ Reincluding dpkg-bugs. :) ] Hi! On Wed, 2015-01-07 at 12:22:47 +0100, Johannes Schauer wrote: On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:06:42 +0100 Helmut Grohne hel...@subdivi.de wrote: Discussion ~~ In the example of libjs-mathjax the reason for the huge difference is the inclusion of a large

Re: developers-reference: Acknowledging NMUs (was: Debian Developer's Reference)

2015-01-07 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Tue, 2015-01-06 at 13:25:39 +0100, Jörg Frings-Fürst wrote: I think in 5.11.4 the sentence If you do not acknowledge the NMU by including the NMU changelog entry in your changelog, can be misinterpreted. After some discussions it is consensus that all changelog entries must

Re: dpkg: The Installed-Size estimate can be wrong by a factor of 8 or a difference of 100MB

2015-01-07 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Wed, 2015-01-07 at 20:58:55 +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: Hmm does anyone know what is done in the rpm-world, probably by yum (otherwise I might take a look)? Ok, I checked yum and rpm, and the disk space and inode usage delta is tracked in rpm itself. It just adds a problem to the

Re: developers-reference: Acknowledging NMUs

2015-01-07 Thread Simon McVittie
On 07/01/15 15:43, Guillem Jover wrote: On Tue, 2015-01-06 at 13:25:39 +0100, Jörg Frings-Fürst wrote: After some discussions it is consensus that all changelog entries must included. I don't agree with this. If the NMU is not good, or I don't agree with it, I'll not be including the

Re: Bug#650077: dpkg: The Installed-Size estimate can be wrong by a factor of 8 or a difference of 100MB

2015-01-07 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Wed, Jan 07, 2015 at 12:22:47PM +0100, Johannes Schauer wrote: It is also worth asking what functionality the Installed-Size field is supposed to have when looking for a solution. It's primary purpose is probably to give apt a clue of whether or not there is enough free space to install a