Re: Bug#620566: dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy

2011-06-16 Thread chris h
Has there been any progress on this bug? We (Grml) would like to switch back to short Version: strings for our kernel packages, as they already have the major version number in the package name, to allow co-installation of multiple versions, and there's no point in duplicating this info in the

Re: Bug#620566: dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy

2011-06-16 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Thu, 16 Jun 2011, chris h wrote: We (Grml) would like to switch back to short Version: strings for our kernel packages, as they already have the major version number in the package name, to allow co-installation of multiple versions, and there's no point in duplicating this info in the

Re: Bug#620566: dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy

2011-05-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Tue, 24 May 2011, Bill Allombert wrote: 2) This change breaks actual packages. Even if no such package exist in squeeze, users could still want to install older or unofficial packages, or created with dpkg-repack. The next version of dpkg has --force-bad-version to work around this.

Bug#620566: dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy

2011-05-22 Thread chris h
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Bill Allombert bill.allomb...@math.u-bordeaux1.fr wrote: I formally object to that change in policy, since no rationale is provided. For the time being, #620566 is a bug in dpkg. So, should this bug then be assigned back to dpkg? Is there anything which prevents

Bug#620566: dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy

2011-04-08 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Mon, 4 Apr 2011, Carsten Hey wrote: upstream_version git1234 could be prefixed with epoch 0 and thus lead to the version number 0:git1234-debian_revision. Maybe this could be Nah. Just drop the leading 'git'. On Mon, 4 Apr 2011, Raphael Hertzog wrote: We have no upstream with such

Bug#620566: dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy

2011-04-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes: On Sun, 03 Apr 2011, Russ Allbery wrote: My inclination is to second this, but I want to make sure that we've answered your and Julien's objections first. And for complete reference, dpkg accepts those version in /var/lib/dpkg/status (so that dpkg

Bug#620566: dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy

2011-04-08 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 08 Apr 2011, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: It does not allow them in available though breaking many systems that have or in the past had a package with such a version available. At least 4 people on irc have run into that problem that I saw already. It does allow them in available. Those

Bug#620566: dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy

2011-04-05 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 05:03:47AM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: reassign 620566 debian-policy severity 620566 normal tags 620566 patch retitle 620566 Sync upstream version format with what dpkg accepts now thanks On Sat, 2011-04-02 at 21:28:08 +0200, Christian Hofstaedtler wrote: Package:

Bug#620566: dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy

2011-04-04 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Sun, 03 Apr 2011, Russ Allbery wrote: My inclination is to second this, but I want to make sure that we've answered your and Julien's objections first. And for complete reference, dpkg accepts those version in /var/lib/dpkg/status (so that dpkg still works for

Bug#620566: dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy

2011-04-04 Thread Michael Prokop
* Russ Allbery [Sun Apr 03, 2011 at 08:12:03PM -0700]: Michael Prokop m...@debian.org writes: Yeah, actually the change is breaking existing packages which used to work just fine (disclaimer: no, the ones I'm talking about aren't available in the official Debian pool). I understand the

Bug#620566: dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy

2011-04-04 Thread Bill Allombert
On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 02:23:25AM -0500, Jonathan Nieder wrote: Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Sun, 03 Apr 2011, Russ Allbery wrote: My inclination is to second this, but I want to make sure that we've answered your and Julien's objections first. And for complete reference, dpkg accepts

Bug#620566: dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy

2011-04-04 Thread Carsten Hey
* Bill Allombert [2011-04-04 12:03 +0200]: Unfortunately, we cannot force upstream to use a version that start by a digit, We would need to document a mangling process for upstream version that start by a letter. Quoting policy: | epoch | | This is a single (generally small) unsigned

Bug#620566: dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy

2011-04-04 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 04 Apr 2011, Bill Allombert wrote: 1. upstream_version must start with a digit; Unfortunately, we cannot force upstream to use a version that start by a digit, We would need to document a mangling process for upstream version that start by a letter. We have no upstream with

Bug#620566: dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy

2011-04-04 Thread Bill Allombert
On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 12:59:43PM +0200, Carsten Hey wrote: * Bill Allombert [2011-04-04 12:03 +0200]: Unfortunately, we cannot force upstream to use a version that start by a digit, We would need to document a mangling process for upstream version that start by a letter. Quoting

Bug#620566: dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy

2011-04-04 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Russ Allbery wrote: Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes: it's trivial to add a leading 0. We could recommend that explicitly if it would help. It would be my recommendation even without the restriction on version numbers, since alphanumerics would sort after any numbers, so you'd

Bug#620566: dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy

2011-04-04 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Russ Allbery wrote: I think this is an interesting conversation, but so far as I can tell it's not particularly relevant to Policy. There are no such packages with those version numbers currently in Debian, so Policy can simply say that there will never be in the future either and be done

Bug#620566: dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy

2011-04-04 Thread Russ Allbery
Jonathan Nieder jrnie...@gmail.com writes: What about previously-in-archive packages? Are there any of significance? The example you gave in your previous mail doesn't appear in the BTS at all, so I assume it's quite old if it was ever in the archive. Raphael said that dpkg wouldn't break

Bug#620566: dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy

2011-04-04 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Russ Allbery wrote: Jonathan Nieder jrnie...@gmail.com writes: What about previously-in-archive packages? Are there any of significance? I don't know. The example I gave was from a dpkg bug report, and I don't know if it was contrived or not (one would have to ask the submitter). I admit

Bug#620566: dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy

2011-04-04 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Russ Allbery wrote: Jonathan Nieder jrnie...@gmail.com writes: What about previously-in-archive packages? Are there any of significance? Ah, I forgot to say: I think changing this to a must with advice to add a 0 when the upstream version does not start with a number would be a good change.

Bug#620566: dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy

2011-04-04 Thread gregor herrmann
On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 12:40:01 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: I think this is an interesting conversation, but so far as I can tell it's not particularly relevant to Policy. There are no such packages with those version numbers currently in Debian, so Policy can simply say that there will never be

Bug#620566: dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy

2011-04-03 Thread Julien Cristau
Full quoting because you didn't cc the policy list when reassigning... On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 05:03:47 +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: reassign 620566 debian-policy severity 620566 normal tags 620566 patch retitle 620566 Sync upstream version format with what dpkg accepts now thanks On Sat,

Bug#620566: dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy

2011-04-03 Thread Thorsten Glaser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA384 Guillem Jover dixit… tt:/tt tt~/tt (full stop, plus, hyphen, colon, - tilde) and should start with a digit. If there is no + tilde) and must start with a digit. If there is no

Bug#620566: dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy

2011-04-03 Thread Russ Allbery
Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org writes: On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 05:03:47 +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: Well, while I generally agree dpkg does not need to be as strict as policy when it might make sense to be laxer outside Debian, in this case I don't see the point in allowing the version to

Bug#620566: dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy

2011-04-03 Thread Russ Allbery
Michael Prokop m...@debian.org writes: Yeah, actually the change is breaking existing packages which used to work just fine (disclaimer: no, the ones I'm talking about aren't available in the official Debian pool). I understand the change but a timeframe for upgrading would be nice with

Bug#620566: dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy

2011-04-03 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org (03/04/2011): I'm not a fan of having DAK reject things that Policy says are allowed. Neither am I. I think we should either allow it or not allow it, but Policy and DAK should agree. Yes, pretty please. KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

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2011-04-02 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: reassign 620566 debian-policy Bug #620566 [dpkg] dpkg: version number does not start with digit is in contrast to policy Bug reassigned from package 'dpkg' to 'debian-policy'. Bug No longer marked as found in versions dpkg/1.16.0. severity