Bug#707851: Debian Menu Systems : Implementation of the TC decision

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 07:56:03AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > > "Wouter" == Wouter Verhelst writes: > > > Wouter> So, I'm with Guillem on this one. > > > Wouter> But _forbidding_ maintainers who want to from shipping a > Wouter> second file, if that somehow

Bug#707851: Debian Menu Systems : Implementation of the TC decision

> "Wouter" == Wouter Verhelst writes: Wouter> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 07:56:03AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: >> > "Wouter" == Wouter Verhelst writes: >> >> Wouter> So, I'm with Guillem on this one. >> >> Wouter> But

Bug#707851: Debian Menu Systems : Implementation of the TC decision

On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 11:39:47AM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > Le mardi, 29 septembre 2015, 02.10:01 Guillem Jover a écrit : > > Wow, this is such terrible policy… So we have supporters of the XDG > > format, and supporters of the menu format. Some of those would and > > have accepted

Bug#707851: Debian Menu Systems : Implementation of the TC decision

Le mardi, 13 octobre 2015, 08.55:07 Wouter Verhelst a écrit : > But _forbidding_ maintainers who want to from shipping a second file, > if that somehow makes the experience of menu users better than what > the fdo menu would have given them? Sorry, but that seems petty and > silly. For context,

Bug#707851: Debian Menu Systems : Implementation of the TC decision

> "Wouter" == Wouter Verhelst writes: Wouter> So, I'm with Guillem on this one. Wouter> But _forbidding_ maintainers who want to from shipping a Wouter> second file, if that somehow makes the experience of menu Wouter> users better than what the fdo menu

Bug#707851: Debian Menu Systems : Implementation of the TC decision

> "Didier" == Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes: Didier> Le mardi, 13 octobre 2015, 08.55:07 Wouter Verhelst a écrit Didier> : >> But _forbidding_ maintainers who want to from shipping a second >> file, if that somehow makes the experience of menu users better

Bug#707851: Debian Menu Systems : Implementation of the TC decision

Le mardi, 13 octobre 2015, 07.52:55 Sam Hartman a écrit : > >> Le mardi, 13 octobre 2015, 08.55:07 Wouter Verhelst a écrit: > >> But _forbidding_ maintainers who want to from shipping a second > >> file, if that somehow makes the experience of menu users better > >> than what the fdo menu would

The role of the TC (was Re: Bug#707851: Debian Menu Systems : Implementation of the TC decision)

Hi Sam! I have very low tolerance for what I perceive as unjust. The mere existence of the TC and any of its invocations implies (to me) an instance of constitutionally sanctioned injustice and imbalance in the project, in addition of increased deterioration of the project's social fabric. In

Re: Bug#707851: Debian Menu Systems : Implementation of the TC decision

I'm happy to engage in a constructive discussion with members of the project on the advantages and disadvantages here. The few times you and I have talked in person we've had useful conversations and I think we learned from each other. However, I need to be met with respect and a desire for

Bug#707851: Debian Menu Systems : Implementation of the TC decision

(Obviously whenever you say you are out of a discussion or will not reply anymore there's some compelling reason to do otherwise…) On Tue, 2015-09-29 at 18:05:02 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Guillem Jover wrote: > You seem to be framing this as a XDG vs menu

Bug#707851: Debian Menu Systems : Implementation of the TC decision

Le mardi, 22 septembre 2015, 13.47:31 Charles Plessy a écrit : > Le Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 11:27:53AM -0400, Sam Hartman a écrit : > > Hi. I've been debating how to respond to the shall vs must thing. > > The short answer is that there are reasons why you might prefer > > shall, but I find that

Bug#707851: Debian Menu Systems : Implementation of the TC decision

Le mardi, 29 septembre 2015, 14.34:35 Guillem Jover a écrit : > Which contains the requirements for the XDG entry, one of those being > the icon. If the upstream part does not contain a suitable icon, then > removing the XDG entry and any relevant icon shipped in the debian/ > directory makes the

Bug#707851: Debian Menu Systems : Implementation of the TC decision

Le Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 03:25:25PM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : > > I noticed you committed this typo of mine to the git repository, sorry > for that: > > Le jeudi, 17 septembre 2015, 15.25:54 Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : > > + Applications that are registred in the desktop

Bug#707851: Debian Menu Systems : Implementation of the TC decision

On Tue, 2015-09-29 at 11:39:47 +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > Le mardi, 29 septembre 2015, 02.10:01 Guillem Jover a écrit : > > Wow, this is such terrible policy… So we have supporters of the XDG > > format, and supporters of the menu format. Some of those would and > > have accepted files

Bug#707851: Debian Menu Systems : Implementation of the TC decision

Hi Charles, I noticed you committed this typo of mine to the git repository, sorry for that: Le jeudi, 17 septembre 2015, 15.25:54 Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : > + Applications that are registred in the desktop menu shall ---^ Cheers, OdyX

Bug#707851: Debian Menu Systems : Implementation of the TC decision

Le mardi, 29 septembre 2015, 02.10:01 Guillem Jover a écrit : > Wow, this is such terrible policy… So we have supporters of the XDG > format, and supporters of the menu format. Some of those would and > have accepted files of their non-preferred format in their packages, > some have outright

Bug#707851: Debian Menu Systems : Implementation of the TC decision

Le Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 09:24:20AM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : > > For what I'm concerned, at least for the "cherry-picking" part of the TC > decision, please go ahead. Commited and pushed! I attached a consolidated patch that summarises the changes. Cheers, -- Charles Plessy

Bug#707851: Debian Menu Systems : Implementation of the TC decision

On Tue, 2015-09-29 at 15:13:28 +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > Le mardi, 29 septembre 2015, 14.34:35 Guillem Jover a écrit : > > W/o anyone to implement this in the menu programs, this is just > > wishful thinking, and might leave big chunks of our users with > > inaccessible applications. On

Bug#707851: Debian Menu Systems : Implementation of the TC decision

Guillem Jover wrote: You seem to be framing this as a XDG vs menu formats. I see it in great part as applications showing up on WM/DE or not. The collateral damage from the TC decision are applications, WM/DE and its users from either format.

Bug#707851: Debian Menu Systems : Implementation of the TC decision

On Thu, 2015-09-17 at 15:25:54 +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > > - Packages can, to be compatible with Debian additions to some window > - managers that do not support the FreeDesktop standard, also provide a > + Applications that are not registered in the desktop

Bug#707851: Debian Menu Systems : Implementation of the TC decision

> "Charles" == Charles Plessy writes: Charles> Le Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 11:27:53AM -0400, Sam Hartman a Charles> écrit : >> Hi. I've been debating how to respond to the shall vs must >> thing. The short answer is that there are reasons why you might >>

Bug#707851: Debian Menu Systems : Implementation of the TC decision

Le Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 11:27:53AM -0400, Sam Hartman a écrit : > Hi. I've been debating how to respond to the shall vs must thing. The > short answer is that there are reasons why you might prefer shall, but I > find that I'd rather say "must is good enough," than try and come up > with an

Bug#707851: Debian Menu Systems : Implementation of the TC decision

Hi. I've been debating how to respond to the shall vs must thing. The short answer is that there are reasons why you might prefer shall, but I find that I'd rather say "must is good enough," than try and come up with an articulate presentation of the energy which would conclude by saying that if

Bug#707851: Debian Menu Systems : Implementation of the TC decision

Le Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 03:25:54PM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : > > > I'm hereby proposing the following diff for point 2, as a discussion > starter: > > diff --git a/policy.sgml b/policy.sgml > index ee1e9f4..83e4057 100644 > --- a/policy.sgml > +++ b/policy.sgml > @@ -8192,14 +8192,18

Bug#707851: Debian Menu Systems : Implementation of the TC decision

Control: severity -1 important Hi all, As you have certainly seen on debian-devel-announce [0], the Technical Committee has ruled on the question of Debian Menu Systems, and the technical decision should now find a form within the Debian Policy. First, the commit designed in the aforementionned