Bug#707851: Soften the the wording recommending menu files: let's do it in Jessie.

2014-02-25 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sun, Jan 05, 2014 at 02:33:20PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: Furthermore, I think the idea of an application belonging to one system or the other is misplaced. The purpose of both the original menu system and the freedesktop standard is to give users consistent, menu-driven access to the

Bug#707851: Soften the the wording recommending menu files: let's do it in Jessie.

2014-02-25 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
On Tuesday 25 February 2014 23:40:14 Bill Allombert wrote: [snip] I do not believe Debian should favor desktop environment over lightweight window managers, especially since Debian users are more likely than other to favor use lightweight environments. If you are going to do that statement,

Bug#707851: Soften the the wording recommending menu files: let's do it in Jessie.

2014-02-25 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 6:40 AM, Bill Allombert ballo...@debian.org wrote: Debian menu is supported by much more window managers than the XDG menu draft. This issue is addressed by the xdg-menu system from Arch Linux. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xdg-menu For the awesome window

Re: Bug#707851: Soften the the wording recommending menu files: let's do it in Jessie.

2014-01-10 Thread Simon McVittie
On 10/01/14 03:14, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote: WRT the current FDO wording, I like it. All packages that provide applications that need not be passed any special command line arguments for normal operation should register a menu entry for those applications There is a

Bug#707851: Soften the the wording recommending menu files: let's do it in Jessie.

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Charles Plessy wrote: On the other hand, it is the spirit of Debian to accept low-maintenance patches (in that case, menu entries) when it can help other projects even if one does not care for it. In that sense, if the Debian Menu has an active user base, it would be counter-productive

Re: Bug#707851: Soften the the wording recommending menu files: let's do it in Jessie.

2014-01-09 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Jan 09, 2014 at 01:15:16PM -0800, Jonathan Nieder a écrit : Alas, now that completeness is eroding and I don't see much reason to recommend in policy to continue to add entries, unless we have clear advice about when packagers should include an entry in it and when they should add to

Bug#707851: Soften the the wording recommending menu files: let's do it in Jessie.

2014-01-09 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Jan 09, 2014 at 01:15:16PM -0800, Jonathan Nieder a écrit : Alas, now that completeness is eroding and I don't see much reason to recommend in policy to continue to add entries, unless we have clear advice about when packagers should include an entry in it and when they should add to

Bug#707851: Soften the the wording recommending menu files: let's do it in Jessie.

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Hi, Charles Plessy wrote: please, I would like to decouple two issues. - Issue 1: the Debian menu is superseded in major destkotop environments, and the Policy should recognise that the Debian menu is not the lead mechanism for managing menus in Debian anymore. Unfortutately we have

Re: Bug#707851: Soften the the wording recommending menu files: let's do it in Jessie.

2014-01-09 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
On Wednesday 08 January 2014 11:31:07 Charles Plessy wrote: [snip] Hi Lisandro, thanks for your answer. Input from all the parties is critical. in my point of view, the Policy has been used to bully the maintainers of FreeDesktop-compliant applications and desktop environments, and the

Bug#707851: Soften the the wording recommending menu files: let's do it in Jessie.

2014-01-07 Thread Charles Plessy
No comment from the GNOME and KDE teams ? What do you think of the corrections that I proposed below, and of the patch in general ? Cheers, -- Charles Le Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 08:40:33AM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit : Hi Steve, Jonathan, and Josselin, thanks to the two first of you for

Bug#707851: Soften the the wording recommending menu files: let's do it in Jessie.

2014-01-07 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
On Wednesday 08 January 2014 08:33:31 Charles Plessy wrote: No comment from the GNOME and KDE teams ? What do you think of the corrections that I proposed below, and of the patch in general ? Not to be taken as KDE team reply, but here's my opinion. On Sunday 05 January 2014 14:53:12 Charles

Re: Bug#707851: Soften the the wording recommending menu files: let's do it in Jessie.

2014-01-07 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
On Tuesday 07 January 2014 23:09:55 Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 08 January 2014 08:33:31 Charles Plessy wrote: No comment from the GNOME and KDE teams ? What do you think of the corrections that I proposed below, and of the patch in general ? Not to be taken as

Bug#707851: Soften the the wording recommending menu files: let's do it in Jessie.

2014-01-07 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Jan 07, 2014 at 11:09:55PM -0300, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer a écrit : On Wednesday 08 January 2014 08:33:31 Charles Plessy wrote: No comment from the GNOME and KDE teams ? What do you think of the corrections that I proposed below, and of the patch in general ? Not to

Bug#707851: Soften the the wording recommending menu files: let's do it in Jessie.

2014-01-05 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Sun, Jan 05, 2014 at 02:53:12PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Dear all, Based on Josselin's contribution and the comments of Russ, I have written a patch for the Debian Policy, that documents the use of the FreeDesktop standards for the use of Desktop menus and media types (MIME). Thanks,

Bug#707851: Soften the the wording recommending menu files: let's do it in Jessie.

2014-01-05 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Sun, Jan 05, 2014 at 03:00:05PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Hi Charles, + sect1 id=debian-menu + headingThe Debian menu system/heading + + p + The Debian menu unifies the menu systems of window managers. In +

Bug#707851: Soften the the wording recommending menu files: let's do it in Jessie.

2014-01-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jan 05, 2014 at 02:53:12PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: 9.6. Menus -- Two menu systems are used in Debian: the _FreeDesktop menu_ and the 1 _Debian menu system_. Packages shipping applications that belong to one or both menu systems should provide the necessary

Bug#707851: Soften the the wording recommending menu files: let's do it in Jessie.

2014-01-04 Thread Charles Plessy
Dear all, Based on Josselin's contribution and the comments of Russ, I have written a patch for the Debian Policy, that documents the use of the FreeDesktop standards for the use of Desktop menus and media types (MIME). First of all, about the core of Sune's request to “soften the the wording

Bug#707851: Soften the the wording recommending menu files: let's do it in Jessie.

2014-01-04 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sun, Jan 05, 2014 at 02:53:12PM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit : patch attached. Oops, here it is attached for real. Sorry for the noise ! -- Charles diff --git a/policy.sgml b/policy.sgml index dad8d23..1f0a006 100644 --- a/policy.sgml +++ b/policy.sgml @@ -8054,81 +8054,224 @@ Reloading

Bug#707851: Soften the the wording recommending menu files: let's do it in Jessie.

2014-01-03 Thread Charles Plessy
[dropping #727708 as it is getting off-topic] Le Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 12:22:44PM +, Ian Jackson a écrit : Our menu arrangements have been unsatisfactory for some time and I for one would certainly be open to change. Now is probably not the right time for this, but maybe after we've