Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

Charles Plessy writes: > First, minor point, but I think that #196367 (Clarify Policy on priority > inversion in dependencies) can also be closed by the changes. Thank you! > Second, I would like to propose one more clarification to the > description of the "Important"

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

Le Sun, Jul 02, 2017 at 01:39:13PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit : > Control: tags -1 = pending > Control: tags 759260 = pending > Control: tags 660249 = pending > The upgrading-checklist entry for this change: > > > Priorities are now used only for controlling which

Re: Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

On Sun, Jul 02, 2017 at 01:39:13PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > > 2.5 > > > Priorities are now used only for controlling which packages > are part of a minimal or standard Debian installation and > should be selected based on

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Processing control commands: > tags -1 = pending Bug #758234 [debian-policy] Allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority Bug #769273 [debian-policy] Allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority Added tag(s) pending; removed tag(s) patch. Added tag(s) pending; removed tag(s)

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

Control: tags -1 = pending Control: tags 759260 = pending Control: tags 660249 = pending I've merged this patch for the next release. The only change from my proposed wording was that I added this sentence to the description of extra, just to be clear how to treat any packages found in the wild

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

Hi, Russ Allbery writes: > Ansgar Burchardt writes: >> I discussed this a bit on IRC with the other ftp-masters and we came to >> this summary: [...] >> 2) We wonder if the 'standard' priority can also be dropped: as far as >>we know, it is used only by the "standard" task

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

Andreas Henriksson writes: > Can't help but wonder why not just remove the "extra" (and mentioning it > as deprecated in upgrade notes) rather than explicitly documenting it as > deprecated. I guess keeping it around is useful to avoid people > mass-bug-filing RC-bugs for all

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

On 14717 March 1977, Andreas Henriksson wrote: > Can't help but wonder why not just remove the "extra" (and mentioning it > as deprecated in upgrade notes) rather than explicitly documenting it as > deprecated. I guess keeping it around is useful to avoid people > mass-bug-filing RC-bugs for all

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 13:13:31 +0200, Andreas Henriksson wrote: > I also think a really good upgrade notice for this is needed. Should be > very clearly mentioned people adjusting their packages should not forget > to also file a bug against ftp.debian.org to align the overrides. My guess is that

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

Hi Russ, Your suggestion looks good to me so just in case it's useful: Seconded. Can't help but wonder why not just remove the "extra" (and mentioning it as deprecated in upgrade notes) rather than explicitly documenting it as deprecated. I guess keeping it around is useful to avoid people

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 15:54:00 -0700 Russ Allbery wrote: > Ansgar Burchardt writes: > > > I discussed this a bit on IRC with the other ftp-masters and we came to > > this summary: > > > 0) We would like to drop the requirement for packages to not depend on > >

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

Ansgar Burchardt writes: > I discussed this a bit on IRC with the other ftp-masters and we came to > this summary: > 0) We would like to drop the requirement for packages to not depend on >packages of lower priority: it is better to declare only what we >actually want

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

Hi, Ansgar Burchardt (2017-06-21): > I discussed this a bit on IRC with the other ftp-masters and we came > to this summary: > > 0) We would like to drop the requirement for packages to not depend on >packages of lower priority: it is better to declare only what we >

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

Hi, Russ Allbery writes: > ftp-master folks, we're discussing eliminating the requirement that > packages only depend on other packages with the same or higher priority > (so important packages would be able to depend on optional packages), and > deprecating the extra priority entirely (so

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

Hi, Russ Allbery writes: > Andreas Henriksson writes: >> Even if ftp-masters where really keen on actively managing the overrides >> file I wonder what purpose this would serve? > >> As already mentioned previously in this bug backlog it would just be a >> waste of ftp-master time. > >> Either

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

Andreas Henriksson writes: > Even if ftp-masters where really keen on actively managing the overrides > file I wonder what purpose this would serve? > As already mentioned previously in this bug backlog it would just be a > waste of ftp-master time. > Either way, I'm adding

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

Hello Bill Allombert, On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 01:16:33PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > The priority in practice are set by the override file, not by packages. > So we shoud first ask the FTP master whether they consider that the > priorities are defined by them or by the policy, and if they are

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 12:55:15PM +0200, Andreas Henriksson wrote: > Hello, > > The buster development cycle is open. I'm personally interested in > working on changes that are directly related to the issue mentioned in > the Subject. I'm sure many people will have a problem changing their >

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

Hello, The buster development cycle is open. I'm personally interested in working on changes that are directly related to the issue mentioned in the Subject. I'm sure many people will have a problem changing their package for the better while at the same time introducing a policy violation. I

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 03:17:14PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: As I understand it, your primary concern is around the decision-making process for handling changes to priority (particularly increasing priority). It's not necessarily the decision-making process. Actually I didn't look in detail

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

Hi, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: Gerrit Pape p...@dbnbgs.smarden.org writes: and helps us to keep control over the size of required and important. This is a different issue. You want oversight over what goes into required and important. I can certainly see why you want this. I

Bug#759260: Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

Hello everybody, I would also support the suppression of the priority “extra” – which never brought concrete benefits in my experience in the Debian Med team – but the situation as of today is that this suppression is opposed by a member of the FTP master team, and since this is the team that

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

Gerrit Pape p...@dbnbgs.smarden.org writes: On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 09:03:14AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Gerrit Pape p...@dbnbgs.smarden.org writes: Hi, in my opinion this paragraph in policy is just fine I really don't agree. Policy currently implies that the maintainers of packages

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

Hi Russ, Russ Allbery wrote: Third, to address your concern about the process, what about consensus review on debian-devel for any change in priority to required or important (that is not a downgrade from required to important)? Consensus review isn't the best process, since sometimes it

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 09:03:14AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Gerrit Pape p...@dbnbgs.smarden.org writes: Hi, in my opinion this paragraph in policy is just fine I really don't agree. Policy currently implies that the maintainers of packages control their priority settings in the archive.

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

Le Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 02:22:33PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh a écrit : Am 15.08.2014 17:47, schrieb Gerrit Pape: That this rule is violated in hundreds of cases [1] clearly shows that there is something wrong which needs to be addressed in a more idiomatic way. Maybe update

Re: Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 06:07:00PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Hi Ansgar and everybody, there seems to be a consensus that the Policy should be updated, but there are two non-compatible proposals. Hi, in my opinion this paragraph in policy is just fine and helps us to keep control over the

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 02:22:33PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh a écrit : Am 15.08.2014 17:47, schrieb Gerrit Pape: That this rule is violated in hundreds of cases [1] clearly shows that there is something wrong which needs to be

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

Gerrit Pape p...@dbnbgs.smarden.org writes: Hi, in my opinion this paragraph in policy is just fine I really don't agree. Policy currently implies that the maintainers of packages control their priority settings in the archive. This is simply not true, and has not been true for as long as

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

Package: debian-policy Hi, I suggest to drop the following paragraph from 2.5: Packages must not depend on packages with lower priority values (excluding build-time dependencies). In order to ensure this, the priorities of one or more packages may need to be adjusted. This requirement is

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

Hi, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: I suggest to drop the following paragraph from 2.5: Packages must not depend on packages with lower priority values (excluding build-time dependencies). In order to ensure this, the priorities of one or more packages may need to be adjusted. This

Bug#758234: debian-policy: allow packages to depend on packages of lower priority

Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org (2014-08-15): Having packages with priority = standard pull in libraries with lower priority seems also more useful than raising the priorities of the libraries as they alone do not satisfy the requirements for higher priorities: I don't think any library