Re: I'm sorry to open another can of worms but.. /usr/share/man transition

1999-08-10 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 11:44:08PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: Well we arn't getting anywhere at all with a good transition to /usr/share/doc, but perhaps this will be easier. I'm concerned about what happens when packages start using /usr/share/man. Suppose I convert alien to put it's man pages

Re: I'm sorry to open another can of worms but.. /usr/share/man transition

1999-08-06 Thread Nicolás Lichtmaier
Well you're flying in the face of years of tradition if you say that. It's true it's not written down anywhere, but that doesn't mean you can just disregard it. Saying that is making a _large_ change to debian's goals. The only drawback of your proposal are estethical. And it has concrete

Re: I'm sorry to open another can of worms but.. /usr/share/man transition

1999-08-06 Thread Chris Waters
Laurent Martelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris == Chris Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris I think this is a great idea in concept. I think Chris implementation may be a bit tricky, though, and I'd hate to Chris have to rely on this as a short term solution. But long Chris

Re: I'm sorry to open another can of worms but.. /usr/share/man transition

1999-08-06 Thread Richard Braakman
Joey Hess wrote: Richard Braakman wrote: Joey Hess wrote: But when they do, they discover they can no longer read alien's man page, becuase their old man browser doesn't grok /usr/share/man. What to do? They can modify /etc/manpath.config to include /usr/share/man. So

Re: I'm sorry to open another can of worms but.. /usr/share/man transition

1999-08-05 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 02:15:38PM -0700, Joey Hess écrivait: So debian's new statement WRT partial upgrades will be you can install packages from unstable. However, you may have to edit arbitrary files and change your system in arbitrary undocumented ways to make them work as you would

Re: I'm sorry to open another can of worms but.. /usr/share/man transition

1999-08-05 Thread Chris Waters
Laurent Martelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My very personal opinion about all this, is that we need more abstraction : packages _should_not_ hardcode installation paths. I think that it should be an option that the sysadmin should be able to change anytime, without having to rebuild all

Re: I'm sorry to open another can of worms but.. /usr/share/man transition

1999-08-05 Thread Jean Pierre LeJacq
On 5 Aug 1999, Chris Waters wrote: Laurent Martelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My very personal opinion about all this, is that we need more abstraction : packages _should_not_ hardcode installation paths. I think that it should be an option that the sysadmin should be able to change

Re: I'm sorry to open another can of worms but.. /usr/share/man transition

1999-08-05 Thread Laurent Martelli
Chris == Chris Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris Laurent Martelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My very personal opinion about all this, is that we need more abstraction : packages _should_not_ hardcode installation paths. I think that it should be an option that the sysadmin

I'm sorry to open another can of worms but.. /usr/share/man transition

1999-08-04 Thread Joey Hess
Well we arn't getting anywhere at all with a good transition to /usr/share/doc, but perhaps this will be easier. I'm concerned about what happens when packages start using /usr/share/man. Suppose I convert alien to put it's man pages there. Alien is arch independant and there is no reason someone

Re: I'm sorry to open another can of worms but.. /usr/share/man transition

1999-08-04 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 23:44:08 -0700, Joey Hess wrote: I'm concerned about what happens when packages start using /usr/share/man. Suppose I convert alien to put it's man pages there. Alien is arch independant and there is no reason someone using stable can't install the latest version from

Re: I'm sorry to open another can of worms but.. /usr/share/man transition

1999-08-04 Thread Chris Lawrence
On Aug 03, Joey Hess wrote: One idea that comes to mind is to make any package that uses /usr/share/man depend on some package. This might be man-db (= 2.3.10-69g) which is the first version that support /usr/share/man. Or it might need to be some other package which itself conflicts with old

Re: I'm sorry to open another can of worms but.. /usr/share/man transition

1999-08-04 Thread Laurent Martelli
First of all, I must say that I did not follow the threads about /usr/share/doc, so I may say things which were already said. please forgive me for that. My very personal opinion about all this, is that we need more abstraction : packages _should_not_ hardcode installation paths. I think that it

Re: I'm sorry to open another can of worms but.. /usr/share/man transition

1999-08-04 Thread Julian Gilbey
Well we arn't getting anywhere at all with a good transition to /usr/share/doc, but perhaps this will be easier. I'm concerned about what happens when packages start using /usr/share/man. Suppose I convert alien to put it's man pages there. Alien is arch independant and there is no reason

Re: I'm sorry to open another can of worms but.. /usr/share/man transition

1999-08-04 Thread Joey Hess
J.H.M. Dassen Ray wrote: Point out that we only support truely smooth upgrades between releases and that in this case, they need to upgrade their man-db too. Debian has a history of worrying about incemental upgrades as well. Otherwise we wouldn't be havcing the whole /usr/share/doc discussion.

Re: I'm sorry to open another can of worms but.. /usr/share/man transition

1999-08-04 Thread Joey Hess
Julian Gilbey wrote: I am extremely wary of adding large amounts of code to support partial upgrades. My idea to make it work involves a simgle dependancy. No code. While we do ensure that the dependenies make the dynamic linking and suchlike work without a hitch, I do not see it as

Re: I'm sorry to open another can of worms but.. /usr/share/man transition

1999-08-04 Thread Richard Braakman
Joey Hess wrote: But when they do, they discover they can no longer read alien's man page, becuase their old man browser doesn't grok /usr/share/man. What to do? They can modify /etc/manpath.config to include /usr/share/man. Richard Braakman

Re: I'm sorry to open another can of worms but.. /usr/share/man transition

1999-08-04 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Joey Hess wrote: Debian currently has 10 thousand dependancies [1]. I was proposing 1 additional dependancy per package with man page, which does *not* double that number. 2216 packages contain man pages. So you want to add a dependency to all of those packages, because

Re: I'm sorry to open another can of worms but.. /usr/share/man transition

1999-08-04 Thread Joey Hess
Remco Blaakmeer wrote: So you want to add a dependency to all of those packages, because some old package doesn't work with them? Following normal logic, I would say the would have to have Conflicts: man-db ( the_first_version_that_works), instead. I was thinking they could simply depend on

Re: I'm sorry to open another can of worms but.. /usr/share/man transition

1999-08-04 Thread Joey Hess
Richard Braakman wrote: Joey Hess wrote: But when they do, they discover they can no longer read alien's man page, becuase their old man browser doesn't grok /usr/share/man. What to do? They can modify /etc/manpath.config to include /usr/share/man. So debian's new statement WRT