Re: Booting to floppy

2001-04-10 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Michael Schmitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The 'rescue floppy' doesn't even work as this on a whole other bunch of architectures I bet. Can you boot from this floppy on sparc? Sure. Only on architecture, PowerPC, is in bad enough shape to require one image for actual booting (when possible at

Re: Booting to floppy

2001-04-10 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Andrew Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I was thinking was that a more sophisticated method for generating the docs could be utilized. Something that would pull arch specific sections from the right places and insert them into the doc just before placing that doc at its intended

Re: Booting to floppy

2001-04-10 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 12:40:07AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote: Michael Schmitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The 'rescue floppy' doesn't even work as this on a whole other bunch of architectures I bet. Can you boot from this floppy on sparc? Sure. Only on architecture, PowerPC, is in bad

Re: Booting to floppy

2001-04-10 Thread MC
You should know that I tried very hard to follow the PowerPC instructions as written for my Mac 8500, and I ran completely into a stone wall. If I hadn't done a lot of google searching, I never would have installed Debian on my PowerPC. My very first debian installation of any sort was Saturday

Re: new installation on 4400/200

2001-04-10 Thread Ethan Benson
On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 11:16:51AM -0400, Adam C Powell IV wrote: Ethan Benson wrote: try ofpath /dev/sda first to see if it supports that machine, ofpath supports most oldworlds but i may have missed a few, people need to send me more device-trees. It doesn't work on my Motorola

Re: Yaboot Config Question

2001-04-10 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Michel Lanners wrote: On 6 Apr, this message from Peter Cordes echoed through cyberspace: BTW, I've found that compiling kernels isn't nearly as fast as I hoped it would be with 4 PPC604 CPUs at 150MHz. I think the problem is that they share the L2 cache, and it

Which display cards work in a 9500?

2001-04-10 Thread Tovar
I have a PowerMac 9500 with an XLR8 400 MHz G3 and i want to replace an ix3D display card with something that at least LINUX supports (preferrably also Open Firmware). Which ones are known to work? Do they have to have a Mac ROMs or do someone with PC BIOS chips work as well? For example,

Re: Booting to floppy

2001-04-10 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 01:42:54AM -0400, MC wrote: [install experience and sucky powerpc docs snipped] So there's a few more criticisms: - after you start up in your initial install and you're trying to initialize apt for the first time, you should be given more diagnostic information as

gimp1.2 for ppc?

2001-04-10 Thread Colin Walters
Hello, Is there a reason gimp1.2 isn't built for powerpc? I checked the buildd logs I found at http://voltaire.debian.org/~buildd/logs/, and gimp1.2 wasn't listed. I've successfully built it from source on my sid system.

Yaboot and Apache (the neverending story)

2001-04-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thank you to Ethan for helping me with Yaboot, now the system boot fine, there was a trouble with the older version of Yaboot I've installed on my G3, but now I've other troubles, while booting the httpd daemon crash, it worked fine when booted from older Yaboot which loaded the kernel image from

Re: Yaboot and Apache (the neverending story)

2001-04-10 Thread Ethan Benson
it is highly unlikly that a yaboot upgrade could alter system stability. also moving the kernel off the Horrible File System partition cannot have any effect on stability either. since you mention rpm i assume this is a LinuxPPC box, if so i suggest you install debian since LinuxPPC is just

Re: Yaboot Config Question

2001-04-10 Thread Benjamin Herrenschmidt
My very subjective impression is that compiling (kernels, or anything else, for that matter) _is_ slower on PPC than on i386. No hard figures here; but that has been my impression all the time during the 4 years I'm following PPC Linux. Reasons might be many and various: memory bandwidth being

Re: Yaboot and Apache (the neverending story)

2001-04-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I would like to install Debian ppc but there are many files and I don't know well what I must download and install, there isn't a cdrom image ?

Re: Booting to floppy

2001-04-10 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 12:40:07AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote: Michael Schmitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The 'rescue floppy' doesn't even work as this on a whole other bunch of architectures I bet. Can you boot from this floppy on sparc? Sure. Only on architecture, PowerPC, is in bad

German keymap: how to get | \ ~

2001-04-10 Thread Stefan Haller
I have a German keyboard, so I am using a German keymap (mac-de2-ext.kmap.gz). With this keymap I am unable to type \, |, and ~, which makes the shell a bit inconvenient to use. On MacOS, | is at option-7, \ is option-shift-7, and ~ is option-n (deadkey), or option-ctrl-n as a non-dead key. I

Re: German keymap: how to get | \ ~

2001-04-10 Thread Arne Scheffler
Stefan Haller wrote: I have a German keyboard, so I am using a German keymap (mac-de2-ext.kmap.gz). With this keymap I am unable to type \, |, and ~, which makes the shell a bit inconvenient to use. On MacOS, | is at option-7, \ is option-shift-7, and ~ is option-n (deadkey), or

Re: Yaboot and Apache (the neverending story)

2001-04-10 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 12:37:24PM +0200, Olaf Grewe wrote: I would like to install Debian ppc but there are many files and I don't know well what I must download and install, there isn't a cdrom image ? There are several around, so you might want to try one of these:

Re: Printing Help Needed

2001-04-10 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 02:01:33PM +0300, Andrei Verovski wrote: Hi, I have two AppleTalk printers (LaserWriter 12/640 and Tektronix Phaser the LaserWriter 12/640 is a TCP/IP printer with a BSD lpd running on it. you don't need to fsck with appletalk garbage to print to it. [snip

Re: Booting to floppy

2001-04-10 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Sven LUTHER [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But i was told a long time ago this was not ok, because you have to make sure that the kernel used is the same as the modules used. Is this no mor ethe case ? No, it's the case, but you can grab the right kernel for your flavor and subarchitecture easily

Re: Printing Help Needed

2001-04-10 Thread Andrei Verovski
the LaserWriter 12/640 is a TCP/IP printer with a BSD lpd running on it. you don't need to fsck with appletalk garbage to print to it. Thanks, Ethan, Somehow I am need to manage it through Netatalk, because the second one, Tektronix 740L, has awkward TCP/IP support, at least, it does not

booting from cd on ibook

2001-04-10 Thread Jean-Noel Colin
Hi I am successfully running debian on a PC and would like to install it on my ibook indigo firewire as well. I downloaded and burned the iso images of potato 2.2r2 but when I try to boot from the cd, I stops without any output except some vertical blue lines on the screen. What can I do to

Re: Printing Help Needed

2001-04-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Ethan Benson wrote: On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 02:01:33PM +0300, Andrei Verovski wrote: Hi, I have two AppleTalk printers (LaserWriter 12/640 and Tektronix Phaser the LaserWriter 12/640 is a TCP/IP printer with a BSD lpd running on it. you don't need to fsck

Re: X dies while I'm not looking...

2001-04-10 Thread Miguel Marques
Greetings... David J. Roundy wrote: I'm not sure if this is powerpc-specific, or not, but I have a somewhat annoying issue where X will die if I stop using it for a while (e.g. leave the room or work on a virtual terminal). It does this whether I am just sitting in kdm or if I'm logged in

Re: new installation

2001-04-10 Thread Adam C Powell IV
Andrew Sharp wrote: Adam C Powell IV wrote: Hmm... here's something which may work. Is there a .coff kernel image on the CD, e.g. vmlinux-2.2.18pre21.coff? If so, try copying that onto an HFS-formatted blank floppy. Then when you boot, hold down something like command-option-O-F

Re: PB2400 pmud/kernel problem: lost interrupt

2001-04-10 Thread Philipp Kaeser
hej, Can you try out my current rsync tree ? (rsync from penguinppc.org::linux-2.4-benh) It may or may not help, but it's a starting point to figure out what's wrong. well, it keeps going from bad to worse. I've tried to get your tree running, then I tried customized variants of bitkeeper

Re: [ANN] Gnome 1.4 debs available

2001-04-10 Thread Adam C Powell IV
Bastien Nocera wrote: Adam C Powell IV wrote: These are the Ximian .debs? If so, they're binary incompatible with official GNOME .debs, and Ximian is no longer supporting sid: unstable is changing a bit too fast underneath us. So I guess those .debs are for stable? Nope, for

Re: Booting to floppy

2001-04-10 Thread Adam C Powell IV
Ethan Benson wrote: On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 01:42:54AM -0400, MC wrote: [install experience and sucky powerpc docs snipped] So there's a few more criticisms: - after you start up in your initial install and you're trying to initialize apt for the first time, you should be given more

Re: German keymap: how to get | \ ~

2001-04-10 Thread Stefan Haller
You aren't. I attach all files I got in my /etc/X11/xkb/ dir which I use Thanks, this will probably help me when I get around to installing X. For now I'm interested in the console keymap. -- Stefan Haller Berlin, Germany http://www.snafu.de/~stk/

Re: new installation

2001-04-10 Thread Tovar
so, to use BootX i still need macos, now this system comes with only one hd, and it has macos on it ... does there exist something like fips, to shrink the macos partition ? so i can make space for linux, or do i have to add a new hd ? and can i just add a pc ide hd ? The previous

Re: Booting to floppy

2001-04-10 Thread Peter Cordes
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 11:56:26AM -0400, Adam C Powell IV wrote: Ethan Benson wrote: On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 01:42:54AM -0400, MC wrote: [install experience and sucky powerpc docs snipped] So there's a few more criticisms: - after you start up in your initial install and you're

Re: gcc version for kernel compiles

2001-04-10 Thread Michel Dänzer
Peter Cordes wrote: What version of gcc should I use to compile the kernel (from the BK tree). Are there any known problems with 2.95.3? I'm compiling for an SMP machine. (so reordering locking-related things is a bigger problem than on UP.) AFAIK that should only yet be a problem with

File Path Problems/9500 Install

2001-04-10 Thread michael sean edwards
I can't seem to get the right files available to the installer. I am using BootX and have downloaded files to a Mac HFS partition which I mount but the installer doesn't like what it sees I guess. I am a complete newbie. Anyone help me out with this? Michael Edwards

Re: German keymap: how to get | \ ~

2001-04-10 Thread Arne Scheffler
Stefan Haller wrote: You aren't. I attach all files I got in my /etc/X11/xkb/ dir which I use Thanks, this will probably help me when I get around to installing X. For now I'm interested in the console keymap. Oh, this one I haven't got. I'm not using the console very often, and I have

Re: new installation

2001-04-10 Thread Andrew Sharp
Adam C Powell IV wrote: Andrew Sharp wrote: OF works quite well on my StarMax. That's why I'm thinking it will work on Bruno's 4400, since the StarMax is a 4400 clone. Not a wise inference, since Apple is involved. I'm glad OF works on your StarMax. I guess that I can now admit that I

Journaling FS for PPC (was Re: gcc version for kernel compiles)

2001-04-10 Thread Jason E. Stewart
Michel Dänzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AFAIK that should only yet be a problem with gcc-3.0 (which in turn is needed for ReiserFS yet). Speaking as one who would really like to have a journaling FS on my 80Gb FW drive, is ResierFS ready for use on PPC? What about XFS?? Thanks! jas.

Re: Printing Help Needed

2001-04-10 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 04:53:25PM +0300, Andrei Verovski wrote: the LaserWriter 12/640 is a TCP/IP printer with a BSD lpd running on it. you don't need to fsck with appletalk garbage to print to it. Thanks, Ethan, Somehow I am need to manage it through Netatalk, because the second one,

Re: Journaling FS for PPC (was Re: gcc version for kernel compiles)

2001-04-10 Thread Michel Dänzer
Jason E. Stewart wrote: AFAIK that should only yet be a problem with gcc-3.0 (which in turn is needed for ReiserFS yet). Speaking as one who would really like to have a journaling FS on my 80Gb FW drive, is ResierFS ready for use on PPC? 'Ready' may be a bit exaggerated, but I've been

Re: PB2400 pmud/kernel problem: lost interrupt

2001-04-10 Thread Philipp Kaeser
hej ben, Can you try out my current rsync tree ? (rsync from penguinppc.org::linux-2.4-benh) It may or may not help, but it's a starting point to figure out what's wrong. okay, I now got your kernel tree (as well as the bitkeeper tree) booting, using quik. however, when putting the PB2400

Re: new installation

2001-04-10 Thread Adam C Powell IV
Andrew Sharp wrote: Adam C Powell IV wrote: OF works quite well on my StarMax. That's why I'm thinking it will work on Bruno's 4400, since the StarMax is a 4400 clone. Not a wise inference, since Apple is involved. I stand corrected. :-) Then again, with the same Tanzania mobo and

Re: Journaling FS for PPC (was Re: gcc version for kernel compiles)

2001-04-10 Thread Andrew Sharp
Actually, for people who don't want to waste (or use constructively, depending on your point of view) time screwing with not-ready-for-prime-time stuff like {woody,sid} and/or 2.4.x kernels, ReiserFS for 2.2 kernels works on powerpc but you have to get the endian-challenged-processors' patch for

XFree86 4.0.2 (Sid) on Beige G3

2001-04-10 Thread Craige McWhirter
Hi, I'm having a problem getting X 4 to run in the correct modes (or at all in some instances) and have had trouble finding some useful information to get me past this. Is someone able to point me towards soem useful doco or perhaps has an XF86Config-4 that I could peruse? -- Cheers,

Re: gimp1.2 for ppc?

2001-04-10 Thread Michel Dänzer
Colin Walters wrote: Is there a reason gimp1.2 isn't built for powerpc? I checked the buildd logs I found at http://voltaire.debian.org/~buildd/logs/, and gimp1.2 wasn't listed. I've successfully built it from source on my sid system. http://voltaire.debian.org/buildlogs/gimp1.2 Looks

Re: Booting to floppy

2001-04-10 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 04:41:28PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote: i don't think its possible to make a generic rescue image that will boot all the various powerpcs, but isn't there several different versions of it anyway for the different powerpc sub-archs? Seems like a moot point since we

Re: Printing Help Needed

2001-04-10 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 04:21:03PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: It is however not always the optimal solution to avoid AppleTalk IMHO: If you have non-geek Mac users on the network it is not very userfriendly to ask them to use lpd. Mac users expect printers to show up in the chooser, and

Re: PB2400 pmud/kernel problem: lost interrupt

2001-04-10 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 04:02:01PM -0400, Patrice LaFlamme wrote: On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 04:12:46PM +0200 or thereabouts, Philipp Kaeser wrote: I'll now try to get quik up and running to see whether it's just a PB2400 problem. However, I wonder if anyone else has a kernel = 2.4.3 running

Re: new installation

2001-04-10 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 09:13:15AM -0700, Tovar wrote: so, to use BootX i still need macos, now this system comes with only one hd, and it has macos on it ... does there exist something like fips, to shrink the macos partition ? so i can make space for linux, or do i have to add

Re: Booting to floppy

2001-04-10 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 11:56:26AM -0400, Adam C Powell IV wrote: I think I agree with you Ethan, but at the same time, MC does have a point that this makes for a very unfriendly install experience. This is a generic potato boot-floppies issue across all arches. Will the new woody

Re: Booting to floppy

2001-04-10 Thread Mike Fedyk
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 05:58:59PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: wish i had the requisite skills to try and make improvments to them but i don't. Hmm, what exactly would you need to know? 2.2.19 root disk prob would need kernel hacking skill Docs would need a good tech writer. I may be able

Re: Booting to floppy

2001-04-10 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 07:14:08PM -0700, Mike Fedyk wrote: On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 05:58:59PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: wish i had the requisite skills to try and make improvments to them but i don't. Hmm, what exactly would you need to know? C programming skills and the ability to

Re: Booting to floppy

2001-04-10 Thread Andrew Sharp
Ethan Benson wrote: On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 11:56:26AM -0400, Adam C Powell IV wrote: I think I agree with you Ethan, but at the same time, MC does have a point that this makes for a very unfriendly install experience. This is a generic potato boot-floppies issue across all

Re: Booting to floppy

2001-04-10 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 07:26:55PM -0700, Andrew Sharp wrote: Me neither, but what the user was insinuating is that he doesn't necessarily know the *right* answers, and wants to have a system where he can try many different combinations without having to start the install from the beginning