On Mon, Jun 26, 2006 at 12:24:19AM -0500, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 01:41:30PM -0500, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 09:50:57AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 11:14:33PM -0500, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
SMP never worked under
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 01:41:30PM -0500, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 09:50:57AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 11:14:33PM -0500, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
SMP never worked under Linux on those machines because the AIX boot
sequence to enable it
On May 24, 2006, at 9:14 PM, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 05:00:15PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 07:09:08PM -0700, Daniel Gimpelevich wrote:
On Thu, 04 May 2006 23:41:28 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 10:52:49AM -0500, Olof
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 09:50:57AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 11:14:33PM -0500, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
SMP never worked under Linux on those machines because the AIX boot
sequence to enable it was never successfully reverse-engineered.
Ah, ok, then it makes
On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 11:14:33PM -0500, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
SMP never worked under Linux on those machines because the AIX boot
sequence to enable it was never successfully reverse-engineered.
Ah, ok, then it makes no sense to build a special kernel for those, until
more
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 05:00:15PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 07:09:08PM -0700, Daniel Gimpelevich wrote:
On Thu, 04 May 2006 23:41:28 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 10:52:49AM -0500, Olof Johansson wrote:
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 12:12:56PM
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 07:09:08PM -0700, Daniel Gimpelevich wrote:
On Thu, 04 May 2006 23:41:28 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 10:52:49AM -0500, Olof Johansson wrote:
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 12:12:56PM +0200, Gabriel Paubert wrote:
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 08:41:34AM
On Thu, 04 May 2006 23:41:28 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 10:52:49AM -0500, Olof Johansson wrote:
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 12:12:56PM +0200, Gabriel Paubert wrote:
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 08:41:34AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 04:38:07PM +1000,
On 5/17/06, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 12:18:28AM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote:
On 5/12/06, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There was an easy way not to problong the discussion. Restore the svn
commit
acces, which you could have done all those weeks ago
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 01:44:56AM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote:
Forking and fragmentation vs. BSD-style fights? No contest.
Linux has been forked about a zillion times, but the developers don't
mind the mess at all. People just merge every which way using git.
Well, yes, but the linux
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 12:18:28AM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote:
On 5/12/06, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There was an easy way not to problong the discussion. Restore the svn
commit
acces, which you could have done all those weeks ago if you had not been
too
proud and afraid to
Hi Frans,
(I am answering this email in the same group,
as it also addresses some of the problems of various mailinglists
and has its home on debian-powerpc.)
On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 06:22:29PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
On Monday 08 May 2006 11:18, you wrote:
it was brought to my attention
On 5/12/06, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There was an easy way not to problong the discussion. Restore the svn commit
acces, which you could have done all those weeks ago if you had not been too
proud and afraid to lose face.
Better: do like Linus, and take away access from all but
On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 06:22:29PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
I have not replied to the various threads because I have no interest in
prolonging this discussion. The second reason was that there was a
mediation going on by the DPL and his second in command and I did not
want to interfere in
(Original message quoted in full as I'm CCing d-boot and several others.
Unfortunately the original message is already quite complex.)
On Monday 08 May 2006 11:18, you wrote:
it was brought to my attention that you are not reading debian-powerpc,
thus I am forwarding my email to you directly.
On Sat, May 06, 2006 at 07:58:49PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
Replying in private, as i have agreed to refrain from posting while the DPL
mediation team searches a compromise.
It is good to hear that a mediation team is trying to help.
My post was not to fuel a flamefest and I believe that
Hi Sven, Frans, Thomas and Joey,
having read this thread on debian-powerpc,
I would like to comment as a largely uninvolved bystander
that is thankful for the hard workers for Debian GNU/Linux.
Note that I have only read the emails on this list
which is the basis for my humble opinion.
a) I
Replying in private, as i have agreed to refrain from posting while the DPL
mediation team searches a compromise. Anyone interested in my reply, please
ask me and i will forward it.
Friendly,
Sven Luther
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On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 09:10:32AM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 15:02 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 03:18:40PM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
Its not a mkvmlinuz problem, the problem is in the kernel itself, and
will
Hey, cool. so ARCH=ppc will work both for apus and prep, and the rest should
go with ARCH=powerpc. This is the case both for 2.6.16 and the upcoming
2.6.17, right ?
I don't remember when he fixed it precisely but I think 2.6.16 got it
yes.
So, the basic plan is to have a -prep ARCH=ppc
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 04:38:07PM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
Hey, cool. so ARCH=ppc will work both for apus and prep, and the rest should
go with ARCH=powerpc. This is the case both for 2.6.16 and the upcoming
2.6.17, right ?
I don't remember when he fixed it precisely but I
On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 08:41 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 04:38:07PM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
Hey, cool. so ARCH=ppc will work both for apus and prep, and the rest
should
go with ARCH=powerpc. This is the case both for 2.6.16 and the upcoming
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 08:41:34AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 04:38:07PM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
Hey, cool. so ARCH=ppc will work both for apus and prep, and the rest
should
go with ARCH=powerpc. This is the case both for 2.6.16 and the upcoming
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 12:12:56PM +0200, Gabriel Paubert wrote:
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 08:41:34AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 04:38:07PM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
Hey, cool. so ARCH=ppc will work both for apus and prep, and the rest
should
go
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 12:12:56PM +0200, Gabriel Paubert wrote:
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 08:41:34AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 04:38:07PM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
Hey, cool. so ARCH=ppc will work both for apus and prep, and the rest
should
go
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 10:52:49AM -0500, Olof Johansson wrote:
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 12:12:56PM +0200, Gabriel Paubert wrote:
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 08:41:34AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 04:38:07PM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
Hey, cool. so
On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 03:18:40PM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
Its not a mkvmlinuz problem, the problem is in the kernel itself, and will
probably be fixed for 2.6.17. I am watching this, and will try to do a
backport if something promising comes on. Not sure i will have the
On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 15:02 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 03:18:40PM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
Its not a mkvmlinuz problem, the problem is in the kernel itself, and
will
probably be fixed for 2.6.17. I am watching this, and will try to do a
Its not a mkvmlinuz problem, the problem is in the kernel itself, and will
probably be fixed for 2.6.17. I am watching this, and will try to do a
backport if something promising comes on. Not sure i will have the time to
fix
it myself though.
Prep has been relegated to an embedded
Hello,
A few things came to my attention today, and i think that if d-i support is
still a prerequisite for etch support of an arch, i think you should consider
dropping powerpc of it.
The debian installer netinst and businesscard images are now broken since
almost a month, and since the d-i
Sven Luther wrote:
The debian installer netinst and businesscard images are now broken since
almost a month, and since the d-i team kicked me out as powerpc maintainer,
and removed my d-i commit rights, there is no way for me to help fix this, and
this clearly demostrates that the d-i powerpc
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The debian installer netinst and businesscard images are now broken since
almost a month, and since the d-i team kicked me out as powerpc maintainer,
and removed my d-i commit rights, there is no way for me to help fix this, and
this clearly demostrates
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 01:39:27PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
The debian installer netinst and businesscard images are now broken since
almost a month,
FYI I expect to be able to get this issue sorted out today/tomorrow. I
was somewhat behind on debian-boot@ mail and hadn't realised it was a
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 07:59:17AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
Sven Luther wrote:
The debian installer netinst and businesscard images are now broken since
almost a month, and since the d-i team kicked me out as powerpc maintainer,
and removed my d-i commit rights, there is no way for
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 09:15:18AM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The debian installer netinst and businesscard images are now broken since
almost a month, and since the d-i team kicked me out as powerpc maintainer,
and removed my d-i commit rights,
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 01:34:00PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 01:39:27PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
The debian installer netinst and businesscard images are now broken since
almost a month,
FYI I expect to be able to get this issue sorted out today/tomorrow. I
was
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:17:26PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 01:34:00PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 01:39:27PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
The debian installer netinst and businesscard images are now broken since
almost a month,
FYI I
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:16:15PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:17:26PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 01:34:00PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 01:39:27PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
The debian installer netinst and
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The debian installer netinst and businesscard images are now broken
since almost a month, and since the d-i team kicked me out as
powerpc maintainer, and removed my d-i commit rights, there is no
way for me to help fix this, and this clearly demostrates
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No, i will not go this way. If the social problem doesn't solve itself in the
near future, i am much more proposing to host a forked version of the d-i and
some key packages, and fix stuff there.
So you are now declaring that you will not submit the
Dear guys,
why don't you take a little break, leave the console and try something
relaxing
(a beer | dinner | walk | sex | ... everything you like)?
In one year I installed every flavour of debian powerpc on a really bastard
powerbook G4 12 many many times, sometimes because the installer was
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 02:33:51PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The debian installer netinst and businesscard images are now broken
since almost a month, and since the d-i team kicked me out as
powerpc maintainer, and removed my d-i commit
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, who is working on the powerpc d-i port ? Only Colin Watson,
but his duties in ubuntu don't leave him enough time to do the work
properly, and it was always me in the past who ended up doing the
work nobody else cared about.
I don't understand how
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 02:59:27PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, who is working on the powerpc d-i port ? Only Colin Watson,
but his duties in ubuntu don't leave him enough time to do the work
properly, and it was always me in the past who
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No, i am raising an alarm earlier, so people who care about powerpc will have
time to act, and will not stay believing all is fine, and end with a mess 8
month from now or such.
Hrm, perhaps I misunderstood your subject line. I understood it not
to be an
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:11:16PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No, i am raising an alarm earlier, so people who care about powerpc will
have
time to act, and will not stay believing all is fine, and end with a mess 8
month from now or such.
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It should be removed from the actual etch release candidate until the
situation improves. The etch release candidate guidelines include a working
and well supported d-i port, and this criteria is not fullfilled, so powerpc
should be dropped from potential
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:25:59PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It should be removed from the actual etch release candidate until the
situation improves. The etch release candidate guidelines include a working
and well supported d-i port, and
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No, i was kicked out of the d-i project. That is sad. Even so, i was
willing to help, and discovered this not because they told it to me,
but because i was blocked from helping. They had to do it meakly in
my back.
What I heard you say was that you were
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:38:14PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No, i was kicked out of the d-i project. That is sad. Even so, i was
willing to help, and discovered this not because they told it to me,
but because i was blocked from helping. They
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am not willing to send in patches now. I was kicked out of d-i a month ago.
Gotcha. I don't understand why, however. I lack write access to all
kinds of things, but I still send in patches. It sounds like you care
about powerpc support, so I find it
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 04:02:17PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am not willing to send in patches now. I was kicked out of d-i a month
ago.
Gotcha. I don't understand why, however. I lack write access to all
kinds of things, but I still
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 12:44:37AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:38:14PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
What I'm saying is that no amout of proof that they will not be able
to meet the targets is relevant. What's relevant is actual failure to
do so, not your (or
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 12:15:10AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 12:44:37AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:38:14PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
What I'm saying is that no amout of proof that they will not be able
to meet the targets is
Hi all
Colin Watson wrote:
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:17:26PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
That's not to say, of course, that fresh porting blood wouldn't be a
good thing.
Why must it be fresh blood? Isn't blood enough? I don't see the
point revoking rights of a developer, who helped and seems
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 05:07:07PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:16:15PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
debian-cd changes I committed over the last hour or two. I hadn't been
paying attention to CD build logs; I'll know to do so in the future.
Cool. Still, i feel that
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 01:24:56AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 12:15:10AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 12:44:37AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
the d-i isos are broken, and had i not been there, they will probably have
been broken for another couple
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have seen Frans claim various times about patches and changes i
was proposing that it will never be applied anyway because i
proposed it, and he didn't thrust me. Do you really thing that in
the light of this me sending in patches just to have them rote
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But nobody cared to inform the powerpc users, who where trying to use the
broken images on machines the april 1 build could not work.
I'm a powerpc user, and I wasn't trying to use the broken images.
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On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 04:48:07PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have seen Frans claim various times about patches and changes i
was proposing that it will never be applied anyway because i
proposed it, and he didn't thrust me. Do you really
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 04:48:25PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But nobody cared to inform the powerpc users, who where trying to use the
broken images on machines the april 1 build could not work.
I'm a powerpc user, and I wasn't trying to use
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The question is : Did frans have a ethic reason to remove my commit
access, or did he do it only out of spit to get ride of me ? I have
seen many argue that since i resigned from being 'the d-i powerpc
porter' it was ok for him to remove those commit
Sven Luther wrote:
I have seen Frans claim various times about patches and changes i was
proposing that it will never be applied anyway because i proposed it, and he
didn't thrust me. Do you really thing that in the light of this me sending in
patches just to have them rote in the BTS is
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