Re: French keyboard PowerBook G4 ( alu ) with KDE

2005-02-20 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wednesday 16 February 2005 11:46, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote: I've spent hours in xkb trying to get that right (I also have a french keyboard) and never got it 100%... The problem is that you can't really have the option/alt key be both used for the |,{,},... combos, _and_ be the real

Re: French keyboard PowerBook G4 ( alu ) with KDE

2005-02-20 Thread Frank Murphy
On Friday 18 February 2005 12:51, Bruno Beaufils wrote: ! I tailored it a little bit in order to get : ... ! - a delete key on Apple key with Fn key (fn apple). In 2.6 kernels, fn-Delete generates Delete. (Delete generates Backspace as expected.) Frank -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: French keyboard PowerBook G4 ( alu ) with KDE

2005-02-20 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thursday 17 February 2005 12:07, Charles-Edouard Ruault wrote: I've digged around once more in the options of KDE and found promising options in the Keyboard Shortcuts, Modifier Keys of the Control center. There's a Macintosh keyboard option and a MacOS-style modifier usage However when i

Re: Altgr on iBook

2003-03-08 Thread Frank Murphy
Search the list archives for altgr for the last couple of months, a solution was found I believe. If someone would like to contribute a little writeup about this, I could add it to the install manual's post-install section. I saw this old problem on the powerpc list. I've been messing

Re: getting audio cd sound to work

2003-03-14 Thread Frank Murphy
I tried to solve this problem this week as well. It seems that it's not possible to play audio CDs in KDE (through arts) on NewWorld ppc machines. KsCD doesn't actually read the CD data, but controls the track movement and relies on the CD/soundcard direct connection (which doesn't exist on

iBook at 640x480

2003-03-14 Thread Frank Murphy
Has anyone worked out what the framebuffer config is for an iBook at 640x480? Trying to get Mac-on-Linux to run at 640x480 in fullscreen mode, but there's no configuration for 640x480. Has anyone here already worked this out? Frank

iBook screen contrast

2003-03-15 Thread Frank Murphy
I realize that my iBook's screen contrast is way to high. (It's difficult to read everything.) It seems that adjusting screen contrast on these is done in software. Any ideas how to adjust this? Frank __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting -

Re: iBook at 640x480

2003-03-15 Thread Frank Murphy
--- Michel Dänzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fre, 2003-03-14 at 17:46, Frank Murphy wrote: Has anyone worked out what the framebuffer config is for an iBook at 640x480? Trying to get Mac-on-Linux to run at 640x480 in fullscreen mode, but there's no configuration for 640x480. Has

Re: iBook at 640x480

2003-03-16 Thread Frank Murphy
--- Michel Dänzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sam, 2003-03-15 at 10:41, Frank Murphy wrote: --- Michel Dänzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fre, 2003-03-14 at 17:46, Frank Murphy wrote: Has anyone worked out what the framebuffer config is for an iBook at 640x480? It depends

Re: iBook at 640x480

2003-03-17 Thread Frank Murphy
On Monday 17 March 2003 02:27 am, Michel Dänzer wrote: Can you point me to a specific place in there if you think it's important? I don't have time to dig through it right now. Sorry. I thought I had, but had the URL for the wrong frame. Here's the specific:

sid audio problem xmms artsdsp

2003-03-24 Thread Frank Murphy
I recently upgraded my sid, and now xmms plays static when I try playing audio when starting xmms with artsdsp. Unfortunately, I didn't notice what I had upgraded to get this. I think that it might be an endian problem because it sounds the same as when I used the xmmsarts plugin (which does

Re: sid audio problem xmms artsdsp

2003-03-25 Thread Frank Murphy
--- Ralf Nolden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 24 March 2003 21:58, Frank Murphy wrote: I recently upgraded my sid, and now xmms plays static when I try playing audio when starting xmms with artsdsp. Unfortunately, I didn't notice what I had upgraded to get this. I think that it might

pmud sleep and eth0 ifconfig on old iBook

2003-04-05 Thread Frank Murphy
Hi All, I know that this is a common problem, but I don't know what the proper solution is. I have an old two-tone iBook with sid installed, and when I close the cover, it sleeps like it should (pulsing light and everything). However, on restart, the built-in ethernet is down. I can restart

Re: What can I get rid of?

2003-04-05 Thread Frank Murphy
`apt-get clean` will delete all your downloaded packages (the .deb files). If you use dselect, it happens automatically though. Otherwise, do dpkg -l and see which packages you don't use. (And don't have both KDE Gnome installed! :) Frank On Saturday 05 April 2003 5:28, Nathan S. wrote:

Re: keymaps

2003-04-10 Thread Frank Murphy
Most of these files should already be in /usr/share/keymaps/i386 as part of the console-data package. It's odd that they're in i386, but it's because the ppc kernel is now using the default linux keycodes (and we all know that default linux = i386 :) The mac-usb-qwertz-layout is identical to

Re: keymaps

2003-04-10 Thread Frank Murphy
What happens if you pick arch list, qwertz, Swiss? I'm running unstable, so this might be a bit different than yours. Very interesting. But how do you configure the keyboard? I do kbdconfig and then I choose 'arch list' 'German' 'latin 1'. But this gives me the @ on the 2 and not on the G

Re: keymaps

2003-04-10 Thread Frank Murphy
Sorry, I don't get it! Yeah, the keyboard configuration setup on Linux leaves much to be desired. But it should work in the end. I have a keymap ibook2-de-latin1 of which i thought it might help me to get a working alt and/or apple key,anything that lets me have these [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: keymaps

2003-04-11 Thread Frank Murphy
On Friday 11 April 2003 8:29, Zeno Davatz wrote: Frank Murphy wrote: What happens if you pick arch list, qwertz, Swiss? I'm running unstable, so this might be a bit different than yours. I am running unstable to. I choose exactly the above and I get: The @ on the 2 and not on the G

keymaps question

2003-05-16 Thread Frank Murphy
I have an older clamshell iBook with a US keyboard. From the documentation on Apple's website[1], the Apple logo/command key should be the windows key when the special 'fn' key is held down. However, in both the console and XFree86, the fn+Apple Logo generates keycode 116 on the console (using

Re: ibook 2000 kernel config, install config

2003-05-19 Thread Frank Murphy
I'm installing Debian 3.0r1 ppc from CDs onto a year 2000 ibook. I installed onto my Grey/White 1999iBook from the net using Branden's instructions (http://people.debian.org/~branden/ibook). I immediately went to sid though. 2. Where can I find a copy of the .config files used to build the

Re: German keyboard and X on PB Ti 1GHz

2003-06-01 Thread Frank Murphy
2.) Apply the attached patch file. It patches /etc/X11/xkb/keycodes/xfree86 and sets the AppleKey to be AltGr. To note, without all this patching, the AltGr key is generated by pressing the 'fn' key plus either Alt key. A bit strange, but it's the way Apple designed these keyboards. Frank

usb keyboard and keypad equals

2003-06-02 Thread Frank Murphy
Is anyone here able to use the equals key on the keypad in X? For me, it moves the cursor back one space, like the left arrow. Looking at xev, it seems that the keycodes for these two keys are the same: KeyPress event, serial 22, synthetic NO, window 0x1e1, root 0x48, subw 0x0, time

Re: Is make-kpkg supposed to work on ppc ?

2003-06-05 Thread Frank Murphy
BTW, if i were to make an official kernel package with it, should i create a whole new package or make a patch against one of the existing kernel-source packages ? The actual package is a bastard fork from one year ago or such, so i don't really know from which kernel-source package i should

Re: I can´t configure X - Windows on my iMac!

2003-06-13 Thread Frank Murphy
I installed through TASKSEL and when I rebooted the machine, the screen just flickered two or three times, went blank and gave me the command line prompt. with a message of something like no core devices identified. I guess it is a problem with the XF86Config file. Look at the XFree86

Re: french keyboard on Pismo

2003-06-13 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thursday 12 June 2003 3:10, Jacques Kern wrote: I was unable to find how to configure a french keyboard correctly. Are you trying to get it working in X or on the console? The two methods are different. For the console, do `dpkg-reconfigure console-data` and select the keyboard you think

pmud security problem? Anyone can snooze a system

2003-06-13 Thread Frank Murphy
Seems that on iX86 boxes, apm only allows a user to snooze a system if the binary is SUID root (which it's not, by default, on Debian). pmud's /sbin/snooze, however, allows anyone to suspend the system. This seems like a way to a local DOS, though only desktop systems would be using pmud. I

Re: non-US keyboard on Pismo

2003-06-16 Thread Frank Murphy
On Saturday 14 June 2003 6:13, Martin-Éric Racine wrote: On Sat, 14 Jun 2003, Frank Murphy wrote: Then it appears that X has a bug, while console-tools correctly supports this early iMac CRT keyboard (the original narrow keyboard, before the Pro model). After you've configured X

Re: non-US keyboard on Pismo

2003-06-16 Thread Frank Murphy
Otherwise, try deleting the XkbLayout line and adding a line: XkbSymbols symbols/en_us(pc105)+fi Nope. Oops. Try XkbSymbols en_us(pc105)+fi In /var/log/XFree86.0.log, what are the lines following: (**) |--Input Device Generic Keyboard Frank

Re: non-US keyboard on Pismo

2003-06-17 Thread Frank Murphy
OK. Add the following at the top of your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Keyboard Driver keyboard Option CoreKeyboard Option XkbRules xfree86 Option XkbLayout fi EndSection

Re: kde

2003-06-20 Thread Frank Murphy
I had kde 2.9.9 (woody disks) runing, i upgraded to kde3.1.1 (deb http://download.kde.org/stable/3.1.1/Debian/ stable main (atpt-get install kdebse)) These debs from kde.org are not from Debian, so they might cause problems like the ones you're seeing. Where can i get libarts1? or what can

Re: non-US keyboard on Pismo

2003-06-23 Thread Frank Murphy
The source of the problem is that absolutely everything in XFree is assumed to be a variation on PC keyboards. The bottom row on a Finnish/Swedish pc105 is: Control_L,(windows),Alt_L,space,Mode_switch,(windows),(menu),Control_R. On a Finnish/Swedish early iMac with the narrow USB

Re: KDE3

2003-06-23 Thread Frank Murphy
KDE 3.1.2 here running in an ibook2.2 under debian sid. No problem at all, runs fine ;-) I had been running KDE 3.1.1 with no problems, but now that I have upgraded to 3.1.2, I have problems with websites detecting that I have JavaScript enabled. An easy page to see this is here:

Re: KDE3

2003-06-25 Thread Frank Murphy
Is anyone else having problems like this? I have it with Yahoo! Mail and I get a connection broken error, at least under i386, haven't tried under ppc yet. Works fine under mozilla Turns out that there's a problem with libpcre3 not providing libpcreposix anymore when it still should.

Re: sound

2003-07-01 Thread Frank Murphy
i can't hear any music cd, not with xmms (the proper plugin is installed), not with kscd. You won't hear any sound with kscd on Apple PPC hardware. kscd assumes that the CD drive is directly connected to the sound card, which it's not on Apple hardware. I assume that you have the xmms-cdread

Re: sound

2003-07-02 Thread Frank Murphy
i desinstaled xmmsarts package, because i upgrade to kde 3.1.2, and it uses libarts1, not libarts. if i try to install xmmsarts package the system would desinstall all kde. I assume that you upgraded to KDE 3.1.2 from the kde.org site, not from Debian's sarge or sid, right? If that's the

Re: sound

2003-07-03 Thread Frank Murphy
the user is in the groups: disk,cdrom,audio and no sound. OK, just being in audio should be enough. What's the output of `id` from konsole? I don't understand this, what do you mean with the output of `id` from konsole Sorry. There's a command line program called 'id'

Kernel warning messages when insmodding unix.o

2003-07-03 Thread Frank Murphy
I've been getting these warning messages on boot for a while. I get them with stock kernel-images 2.4.19-2 and 2.4.20-4. The system boots fine, so the warnings seem harmless, but I'd prefer they weren't there. insmod: /lib/modules/2.4.20-powerpc/kernel/net/unix/unix.o Cannot open /proc/ksyms

Re: Kernel warning messages when insmodding unix.o

2003-07-03 Thread Frank Murphy
failed It seems that the unix sockets are loaded before init starts. But if that's true, the /proc/ksyms warning is confusing. Or are there multiple things going wrong here? It's also strange that the 'insmod:' gets repeated. Frank On Thursday 03 July 2003 1:54, Frank Murphy wrote: I've been

Re: Kernel warning messages when insmodding unix.o

2003-07-04 Thread Frank Murphy
But if that's true, the /proc/ksyms warning is confusing. Or are there multiple things going wrong here? Indeed, part of it could be the /proc problem someone else has reported before. There was also discussion about how to track this down in that thread. When was that thread? Do you

Re: Kernel warning messages when insmodding unix.o

2003-07-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tuesday 08 July 2003 2:28, Michel Dänzer wrote: On Fri, 2003-07-04 at 18:22, Frank Murphy wrote: But if that's true, the /proc/ksyms warning is confusing. Or are there multiple things going wrong here? Indeed, part of it could be the /proc problem someone else has reported

Re: Kernel warning messages when insmodding unix.o

2003-07-10 Thread Frank Murphy
Well, init is /bin/sh in this scenario, so you're saying the warnings also appear if you don't type anything at the shell prompt? If not, the idea is to start the /etc/rcS.d/S* scripts one by one and notice after which one(s) the warnings appear. Exactly. In fact, the unix.o warnings are

Re: Kernel warning messages when insmodding unix.o

2003-07-10 Thread Frank Murphy
I get another complaint with hid.o and a missing mousedev module (which makes sense because moudev.o is only for PS/2 mice, I believe; however, before init starts there's a log mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice). Which doesn't sound like it's only for PS/2 mice,

Re: Kernel configuration for USB mouse

2003-07-14 Thread Frank Murphy
On a Powerbook G4: For a Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: Do I need the CONFIG_MOUSE (or some other) option enabled in the 2.4.21-ben2 Kernel, if I want to plug the mouse to an USB connector? Or will the mouse be run by enabling one of the CONFIG_USB options in this kernel? I'm not

cannot adjust audio balance with OSS on old iBook

2003-07-15 Thread Frank Murphy
I just noticed that I can't adjust the audio balance on my iBook. When I boot into OS 9, I can adjust it, so it seems to be a Linux problem. When I adjust the balance with aumix or xmms to be stronger on the left, the volume decreases, and it increases when I strengthen it on the right. When I

Re: Kernel configuration for USB mouse

2003-07-16 Thread Frank Murphy
... the point is, that with pre-compiled kernels, AfAIK, I'll have a lot of non-modular capabilities built-in to the kernel, thus wasting RAM (and speed?) that otherwise could be used for stuff I really need on the machine. So compiling myself is option #1 (I'm definitely not keen on

Re: Xpmac couldn't find font 'fixed'

2003-07-18 Thread Frank Murphy
Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' X10: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server :0.0 after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining Where can I get the fixed font? apt-get install xfonts-base

Re: X won't log in (was Re: Xpmac can't find font 'fixed')

2003-07-22 Thread Frank Murphy
The Opt-F1,F2,etc trick wasn't working, and neither does this. I think that the Xpmac server doesn't allow this ctrl-opt-F1 trick (but it is Control and Opt and Function key; I assume you typoed that above.) To those who wanted the logs, it was actually at /var/log/xdm.log And, to those who

Re: X won't log in (was Re: Xpmac can't find font 'fixed')

2003-07-22 Thread Frank Murphy
I turned authorization off as you said, and now I get a cooler-looking login screen, along with a little output-only console in the bottom right. When I enter my name/pass, the console prints (xdm) session opened by uid and the rest is cut off at the edge of the screen. The screen

Re: X Won't Log In

2003-07-22 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tuesday 22 July 2003 4:48, Steven Schlansker wrote: Kernel options? Where do I set those? I set the video driver to the framebuffer one (fbdev I think) but it doesn't work. (in the real XFree86 that is) - I'll try to set the video=valkyriefb as soon as someone tells me where I set the

Re: X won't log in (was Re: Xpmac can't find font 'fixed')

2003-07-22 Thread Frank Murphy
But Xpmac is unsupported in Debian (which is why you had to compile it yourself), so that means that valkyrie video devices are unsupported in Debian. Unsupported? The fbdev driver should work with it, at least with valkyriefb. Ah OK. So Xpmac is unsupported, but valkyrie devices are

Re: X Won't Log In

2003-07-22 Thread Frank Murphy
XFree86 running. Frank On Tuesday 22 July 2003 7:45, Frank Murphy wrote: On Tuesday 22 July 2003 4:48, Steven Schlansker wrote: Kernel options? Where do I set those? I set the video driver to the framebuffer one (fbdev I think) but it doesn't work. (in the real XFree86 that is) - I'll try

Re: X won't log in (was Re: Xpmac can't find font 'fixed')

2003-07-22 Thread Frank Murphy
This does look like a problem: Xsession: unable to start X session; no /home/steven/.xsession file, no /home/steven/.Xsession file, no session managers, no window managers, and no terminal emulators found. Aborting. Seems that you don't have any X programs installed. I don't know if you

Re: X won't log in (was Re: Xpmac can't find font 'fixed')

2003-07-24 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thursday 24 July 2003 5:00, Steven Schlansker wrote: Amazingly enough, it launched an xterm when I logged in. It seems that gnome-core doesn't get everything you want. Apt-get these, too: apt-get install gnome-control-center gnome-help gnome-panel gnome-session Now the only problem is

Re: X won't log in (was Re: Xpmac can't find font 'fixed')

2003-07-24 Thread Frank Murphy
It seems that gnome-core doesn't get everything you want. Apt-get these, too: apt-get install gnome-control-center gnome-help gnome-panel gnome-session Got it. OK, the next time you log in, you should get more than just an xterm. I replaced Xpmac with XFree86, and put those kernel

Re: X won't log in (was Re: Xpmac can't find font 'fixed')

2003-07-24 Thread Frank Murphy
work... Oh well. On Thursday, July 24, 2003, at 09:41 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: It seems that gnome-core doesn't get everything you want. Apt-get these, too: apt-get install gnome-control-center gnome-help gnome-panel gnome-session Got it. OK, the next time you log in, you

Re: X won't log in (was Re: Xpmac can't find font 'fixed')

2003-07-24 Thread Frank Murphy
I'm surprised that XFree86 doesn't downgrade automatically though. Why? The X server generally tries to behave as requested, and if that's not possible, it aborts. Even if you don't like this policy, and assuming that it knows that the depth causes the problem (I doubt it, but I have to

Re: Keyboard on X with missing keys

2003-07-28 Thread Frank Murphy
I'm missing the bar sign, the @ sign (I had to paste this one from the address in the header), bracketleft, bracketright, EuroSign and I don't know what else on the keyboard on X. Same here, on an iBook2 700Mhz. I ended up writing my own ~/.Xmodmap which i load when I login.

Re: X startup... (was Re: Keyboard on X with missing keys)

2003-07-31 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 8:03, Thomas Otto wrote: Same here, on an iBook2 700Mhz. I ended up writing my own ~/.Xmodmap which i load when I login. It seems everybody does that, instead of fixing the X keymaps... I'm no better myself. :) But where *is* this keymap that will be read at

Re: Keyboard on X with missing keys

2003-07-31 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 6:38, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: On 27 Jul 2003, Michel Dänzer wrote: On Sun, 2003-07-27 at 05:06, Thomas Otto wrote: I'm missing the bar sign, the @ sign (I had to paste this one from the address in the header), bracketleft, bracketright, EuroSign and I

Re: Keyboard on X with missing keys

2003-07-31 Thread Frank Murphy
I don't think this is the problem (are you sure this file is even used with your configuration? :). I'm pretty sure, but not positive. The only files that mention 'macintosh_old' (the other option for this line) are keymap.dir, keymap/macintosh, and rules/xfree86. But the geometry is only

Re: Keyboard on X with missing keys

2003-07-31 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thursday 31 July 2003 2:27, Michel Dnzer wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 11:25, Frank Murphy wrote: You've already made contact with _the_ Xkb developer Ivan Pascal, he can answer all your questions about it. I haven't talked with Ivan Pascal. I didn't know there was a _the_ xkb

Re: Meta Alt oh my!

2003-08-04 Thread Frank Murphy
About X, I did found about alt:swapmeta, and understand it is obsolete. I also found altwin:meta_win, is that the right one to use? Did some experimenting, altwin:meta_win does work, but only for the first server -- I use two servers in this system, started by gdm. Anyone has

Re: Some sound doesn't work yet

2003-08-05 Thread Frank Murphy
However, when playing some sounds I just get lots random noise (a bit like white noise, but less soothing). This happens to the sound-track on mpeg videos when I'm watching them on Kaboodle or Noatun (the media players from KDE 3.1). And also when I try to play MOD files (that's an old 80s

Re: Meta Alt oh my!

2003-08-05 Thread Frank Murphy
Hmm. That it only works on display :0 seems like a bug. Any way to confirm it's a bug? Should I report it to XFree or Debian? Normally to XFree, I'd think. Unless it's a packaging problem. They're responding pretty well to Bugzilla these days (with enough information). But it has

Re: Some sound doesn't work yet

2003-08-05 Thread Frank Murphy
I'm just messing about at the moment - trying to find ones that work. Kaboodle and Noatun got installed automatically with KDE 3.. They play MP3s and wavs fine, but when playing mpeg movies, the sound displays the endian problem... Different drivers for the different file-types I guess(?)

Re: Meta Alt oh my!

2003-08-05 Thread Frank Murphy
So, when you run xev and press the left option/alt key, you get something like this: KeyRelease event, serial 27, synthetic NO, window 0x221, root 0x48, subw 0x0, time 71770797, (2,148), root:(574,566), state 0x8, keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe9, Alt_L), same_screen YES,

Re: Some sound doesn't work yet

2003-08-06 Thread Frank Murphy
Do you have a link of a simple setup with alsa dmix ? All web pages I found are really complicated. Not one that works. I've played with it a bit, but even when I can get it to work, xmms hangs after 3-5 songs. What I've done is put this in my .asoundrc: # use this by specifying plug:mydmix

Re: Meta Alt oh my!

2003-08-06 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wednesday 06 August 2003 12:41, Leandro Guimares Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote: On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:23:21 +0200, Frank Murphy wrote: No, it is not. My point is exactly that xmodmap and altwin:meta_win aren't taking effect in :1, only in :1. So, did you do the above xev on display

Re: Meta Alt oh my!

2003-08-06 Thread Frank Murphy
Funny, this one caused the Apple/Command key to produce M-s, that is, Meta-Super. That is so whack. I'm not getting any of the same results you do. This gives me Alt and Meta as I want them in Emacs, but with an additional strange twist: M-TAB gets captured by Emacs without

Re: Meta Alt oh my!

2003-08-06 Thread Frank Murphy
and ideally also the framebuffer ones? Option UseFBDev does that. OK, I thought about that after hitting the send button. But then again, at the moment the X drivers seem to be more developed than the kernel ones. I guess eventually the kernel drivers should achieve

Re: Meta Alt oh my!

2003-08-06 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wednesday 06 August 2003 3:25, Leandro Guimares Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote: On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:45:39 +0200, Michel Dnzer wrote: The X server always uses the same config file (usually /etc/X11/XF86Config-4) unless it's told otherwise. Does it say pc101 or macintosh for XkbModel?

Re: cannot adjust audio balance with OSS on old iBook

2003-08-07 Thread Frank Murphy
On Saturday 19 July 2003 9:34, Frank Murphy wrote: Others seeing this? Any ideas where this problem might lie? Because it happens in two audio apps, I imagine it's a lower-level problem. Anyone seeing the same thing with ALSA? Is this one of the round clamshell-style iBooks? I don't

Re: swiss german keyboard config needed

2003-08-13 Thread Frank Murphy
Option XkbSymbols de_CH+group(switch) Ahh, well, I did (and YES, I did deactivate my .Xmodmap first), but, uhhm, this has to be the so called make-fun-at-your-co-workers-option, no? ;) But serious, the effect was quite interesting. No keys except the number keys were working, not

Re: Finnish X11 keymap on iMac?

2003-08-13 Thread Frank Murphy
Having just substituted the original narrow iMac keyboard with an after-market keyboard, largely because that original keyboard appears unsupported by X11, I find that the Finnish XFree keymap still fails; several keys are where they should not be. I tried the normal i386 keymap, which also

Re: swiss german keyboard config needed

2003-08-13 Thread Frank Murphy
Yeah, the fn-thing isn't so convienient. Do you have another idea for getting these? Or if they're even necessary? I know that Alt_R is often used for AltGr on European keyboards, but are the others used in a standard way? Can't think of much else except UAE wanting right ctrl e.g., I

Re: swiss german keyboard config needed

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thursday 14 August 2003 11:37, Michel Dnzer wrote: On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 17:47, Frank Murphy wrote: Yeah, the fn-thing isn't so convienient. Do you have another idea for getting these? Or if they're even necessary? I know that Alt_R is often used for AltGr on European keyboards

Re: swiss german keyboard config needed

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Murphy
What exactly do you mean by that? Same as in Mac OS? It has very different requirements for modifiers, doesn't it? Don't you think it would be the best to produce the same characters with the same key combinations as in OS X by default (eg. for swiss keyboards that ALT-G = @, ALT-8 = {,

Re: Finnish X11 keymap on iMac?

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Murphy
Your third-party keyboard should be considered an i386 keyboard, and the Apple keyboard a mac-usb one. The differences there are the locations of the @, which seems to work fine for you. Mainly that and that the Apple/Windows keys and Alt keys are reverted, then the Euro sign appears on

Re: swiss german keyboard config needed

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Murphy
Don't you think it would be the best to produce the same characters with the same key combinations as in OS X by default (eg. for swiss keyboards that ALT-G = @, ALT-8 = {, ALT-6 = ],...) ? What about apps which use these combos for something else? I agree that something-G should yield

Re: Finnish X11 keymap on iMac?

2003-08-15 Thread Frank Murphy
And are you dpk-reconfigure-ing xserver-xfree86 every time you change? Both console and X are configured to use PC / standard / finnish-latin1, since I have no use for Apple's own mapping. ... All USB keyboards I currently have are meant to be Mac keyboards (whatever usbmgr reported upon

Re: Finnish X11 keymap on iMac?

2003-08-16 Thread Frank Murphy
By Mac keyboard, you seem to mean USB keyboard. No, I mean Mac keyboard, as in keycaps layout. The keys of the third-party keyboards are in the standard PC position, right? They are in the Mac position, since they are meant as replacements for the narrow iMac keyboard by Apple. So,

Re: swiss german keyboard config needed

2003-08-16 Thread Frank Murphy
On Saturday 16 August 2003 1:23, Andreas Wüst wrote: Well, it kind of worked. I could reach the third group via fn+alt (the left one, I don't remember the right one), but, hmm, not all symbols worked. For example, I could get [ (fn+alt+5), but I couldn't get ] (fn+alt+6). { and } was

Re: Finnish X11 keymap on iMac?

2003-08-17 Thread Frank Murphy
On Saturday 16 August 2003 10:00, Martin-Éric Racine wrote: On Sat, 16 Aug 2003, Frank Murphy wrote: So, the | is between Z and left shift and the §½¶ is left of the 1 on all three keyboards, but on the third-party keyboards, pressing §½¶ generates the symbol from the | key (and vice-versa

Re: Finnish X11 keymap on iMac?

2003-08-17 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sunday 17 August 2003 10:06, Martin-Éric Racine wrote: On Sun, 17 Aug 2003, Frank Murphy wrote: On Saturday 16 August 2003 10:00, Martin-Éric Racine wrote: I'd be interested to know what the linux scancodes and X keycodes are for these keys on i386 Linux. Are you able to try

Re: Meta Alt oh my! (long)

2003-08-17 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sunday 17 August 2003 1:19, Leandro Guimares Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote: Configurations, logs etc follow: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4: Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Keyboard Driver keyboard Option CoreKeyboard Option

Supplemental Apple keymap

2003-08-17 Thread Frank Murphy
I've attached a small symbol keymap to see what folks here think. To use it, copy it to /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/apple and run `setxkbmap -v 6 -symbols 'macintosh/us+apple(laptop)'` I've also put an 'extended' version for desktop keyboards that have Help instead of Insert and other changes.

Re: Supplemental Apple keymap

2003-08-18 Thread Frank Murphy
On Monday 18 August 2003 2:50, Leandro Guimares Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote: On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:21:43 +0200, Frank Murphy wrote: Also, there's a macos_alt flavor that will change the Alt key to do Mode_switch as is expected outside of the US. I didn't quite got this part

Re: Meta Alt oh my! (long)

2003-08-18 Thread Frank Murphy
On Monday 18 August 2003 4:28, Leandro Guimares Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote: Latest news... everything works now, in both servers. Great! Now I have: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Keyboard Driver keyboard Option

Re: Supplemental Apple keymap

2003-08-18 Thread Frank Murphy
On Monday 18 August 2003 4:31, Leandro Guimares Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote: On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:35:42 +0200, Frank Murphy wrote: The compose key is Multi_key, which means that to get a key, a combination must be hit. (Multi_key+, then c for ''). This is supposed to change the Alt_L key

Re: Meta Alt oh my! (long)

2003-08-18 Thread Frank Murphy
On Monday 18 August 2003 7:10, Leandro Guimares Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote: Em Seg, 2003-08-18 s 18:11, Michel Dnzer escreveu: the keyboard configuration was always identical on server startup (unless the logs contained a relevant difference you didn't post), the difference was likely

Re: swiss german keyboard config needed (xev results)

2003-08-19 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tuesday 19 August 2003 1:32, Michel Dnzer wrote: On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 00:52, Andreas Wst wrote: fn+alt+6: KeyPress event, serial 28, synthetic NO, window 0x181, root 0x2d, subw 0x182, time 386835101, (53,50), root:(539,353), state 0x0, keycode 113 (keysym 0xff7e,

Re: Meta Alt oh my! (long)

2003-08-19 Thread Frank Murphy
On Monday 18 August 2003 10:11, Michel Dnzer wrote: On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 19:10, Leandro Guimares Faria Corsetti Dutra Em Seg, 2003-08-18 s 18:11, Michel Dnzer escreveu: The logs don't lie I hope that's true in X. I wouldn't hold it as absolute truth, from the experience I have

Re: swiss german keyboard config needed (xev results)

2003-08-20 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wednesday 20 August 2003 11:17, Emmanuel Eckard wrote: On Wednesday 20 August 2003 11:07, David M. Cooke wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 10:33:17PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 22:22, Frank Murphy wrote: It seems that we need a new key for Multi_key as well. Any

Re: swiss german keyboard config needed (xev results)

2003-08-21 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wednesday 20 August 2003 5:33, Michel Dnzer wrote: I can get the fourth level with Mode_switch-Shift-key (as opposed to Shift-Mode_switch-key, which becomes Multi_key-key), OK, I got it. It's a bit wierd to get to Mutli_key, but it works OK as a default. I'll probably add another variation

Re: swiss german keyboard config needed (xev results)

2003-08-21 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thursday 21 August 2003 12:40, Michel Dnzer wrote: On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 11:44, Frank Murphy wrote: On Wednesday 20 August 2003 5:33, Michel Dnzer wrote: I can get the fourth level with Mode_switch-Shift-key (as opposed to Shift-Mode_switch-key, which becomes Multi_key-key), OK, I

Re: swiss german keyboard config needed (xev results)

2003-08-21 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tuesday 19 August 2003 12:52, Andreas Wüst wrote: On Sat, 2003-08-16 at 19:19, Frank Murphy wrote: On Saturday 16 August 2003 1:23, Andreas Wüst wrote: Well, it kind of worked. I could reach the third group via fn+alt (the left one, I don't remember the right one), but, hmm, not all

Re: Apple laptop kernel keyboard discussion

2003-08-21 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thursday 21 August 2003 4:29, Michel Dnzer wrote: On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 15:23, Frank Murphy wrote: Actually, I use it all the time. For a US keyboard, with no special chars engraved on the keys, Multi_key + ^ + u = is the only way to type . So in the US, Mode_switch is rarely used

Re: Apple laptop kernel keyboard discussion

2003-08-21 Thread Frank Murphy
I'm using a US keymap as well, and I have customized the 'a', 'o' and 'u' keys to yield umlauts on the third and fourth level. I mean, Multi_key is clumsy to use, whether it requires shift or not, isn't it? For me to type French, I find that it's better to have the accents in a

new Apple symbols map (exposes kernel buglets?)

2003-08-22 Thread Frank Murphy
Hi all, After the long discussions about the needs of the Apple keyboard, especially the laptops (iBook and PowerBook), I have a new version of the apple symbol map attached here. This should be interesting to anyone with an Apple laptop with the mimized keyboard apple(laptop). It's also

Re: new Apple symbols map (exposes kernel buglets?)

2003-08-23 Thread Frank Murphy
On Saturday 23 August 2003 1:34, Michel Dnzer wrote: On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 09:55, Frank Murphy wrote: This should be interesting to anyone with an Apple laptop with the mimized keyboard apple(laptop). It's also mildly interesting to anyone with an Apple desktop keyboard (though it only

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