Re: Debian 8.6 fails startup for Apple PPCs
On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 05:46:58PM -0800, Kristen wrote: > So then I must ask this question, given that Gnome fails to work for > PowerPC, at least for Apple computers. Why is it that during the install > process is Gnome even listed as a desktop environment to install? > > Does Gnome need to be compiled on Apple PPCs for it to run? Putting knowledge of which video cards support which features is not the job of the installer. There almost certainly exist powerpc systems with video cards that could run gnome 3.x. It is not a question of where it is compiled, but rather of the level of opengl required by gnome. That makes any older video card a problem, even on a PC. -- Len Sorensen
Re: Debian 8.6 fails startup for Apple PPCs
On 10/16/16 10:24 PM, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Kristen wrote: >> List, >> >> I am wondering if the Apple PowerPC line of computers are still >> supported in Debian? I have tried to use a netinstall of Debian 8.6.0 on >> a G3 iBook, a G4 MP, and a G5 iMac and all have failed in the same manner. >> >> The install appears to progress wonderfully. However after the initial >> reboot the system fails with a message reading "Oh no! Something has >> gone wrong.". If I click the button to "Log out" I am given only a blank >> black screen. The virtual terminals also fail to respond. I suppose I >> can SSH in if I hunt for the IP address assigned via DHCP. >> >> Any thoughts about this? > > I cannot find the thread anymore but basically GNOME 3.x has extra > requirement, which older graphics cards do not have. As suggested, you > should pick another desktop environment. I would also avoid KDE. I am > a happy xfce user, but MATE may work if you want to stay closer to > GNOME 2.x (not tested) > > -M > So then I must ask this question, given that Gnome fails to work for PowerPC, at least for Apple computers. Why is it that during the install process is Gnome even listed as a desktop environment to install? Does Gnome need to be compiled on Apple PPCs for it to run?
Re: Debian 8.6 fails startup for Apple PPCs
On 10/15/2016 12:12 PM, Kristen wrote: > List, > > I am wondering if the Apple PowerPC line of computers are still > supported in Debian? I have tried to use a netinstall of Debian 8.6.0 on > a G3 iBook, a G4 MP, and a G5 iMac and all have failed in the same manner. > > The install appears to progress wonderfully. However after the initial > reboot the system fails with a message reading "Oh no! Something has > gone wrong.". If I click the button to "Log out" I am given only a blank > black screen. The virtual terminals also fail to respond. I suppose I > can SSH in if I hunt for the IP address assigned via DHCP. > > Any thoughts about this? > > Kristen > As a follow up. 1) I found that attempting to use the boot option 'Linux radeon.agpmode=-1' had no affect. 2) Removing gnome and installing XFCE worked well. I am now using Debain 8 on the G5 iMac. 3) On the G3 iBook I am working on installing Gentoo. We will see how usable that computer can be 4) I have not ever run MATE, so I will try to install that on my G4. Thank you all Kristen
Re: Debian 8.6 fails startup for Apple PPCs
I have used MATE. It works ok PPC Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 16, 2016, at 11:24 PM, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > >> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Kristen wrote: >> List, >> >> I am wondering if the Apple PowerPC line of computers are still >> supported in Debian? I have tried to use a netinstall of Debian 8.6.0 on >> a G3 iBook, a G4 MP, and a G5 iMac and all have failed in the same manner. >> >> The install appears to progress wonderfully. However after the initial >> reboot the system fails with a message reading "Oh no! Something has >> gone wrong.". If I click the button to "Log out" I am given only a blank >> black screen. The virtual terminals also fail to respond. I suppose I >> can SSH in if I hunt for the IP address assigned via DHCP. >> >> Any thoughts about this? > > I cannot find the thread anymore but basically GNOME 3.x has extra > requirement, which older graphics cards do not have. As suggested, you > should pick another desktop environment. I would also avoid KDE. I am > a happy xfce user, but MATE may work if you want to stay closer to > GNOME 2.x (not tested) > > -M >
Re: Debian 8.6 fails startup for Apple PPCs
On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Kristen wrote: > List, > > I am wondering if the Apple PowerPC line of computers are still > supported in Debian? I have tried to use a netinstall of Debian 8.6.0 on > a G3 iBook, a G4 MP, and a G5 iMac and all have failed in the same manner. > > The install appears to progress wonderfully. However after the initial > reboot the system fails with a message reading "Oh no! Something has > gone wrong.". If I click the button to "Log out" I am given only a blank > black screen. The virtual terminals also fail to respond. I suppose I > can SSH in if I hunt for the IP address assigned via DHCP. > > Any thoughts about this? I cannot find the thread anymore but basically GNOME 3.x has extra requirement, which older graphics cards do not have. As suggested, you should pick another desktop environment. I would also avoid KDE. I am a happy xfce user, but MATE may work if you want to stay closer to GNOME 2.x (not tested) -M
Re: Debian 8.6 fails startup for Apple PPCs
On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 06:01:29PM -0800, Kristen wrote: > So it would appear everything is Radeon and I think there is a big > problem with ATI cards and this version of Debian. If I recall, but I > have not searched the archives of this list. If you think it's an ATI driver problem, try a newer kernel from jessie-backports. That said, it might be an X ATI driver problem (in which case you may as well give scratch a hug). Searching for your error (https://duckduckgo.com/?q="Oh+no!+Something+has+gone+wrong";) gave this thread which may be of assistance: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/oh-no-something-has-gone-wrong-on-restart-4175510641/ But then the solution there was to ditch Gnome for KDE. From a quick scan of the answers it appears that a gnome component was crashing. Another quick possibility might be to give another login manager a go. I ditched gdm3 for lightdm a while back as gdm3 was giving me weird issues. Seeing as I remember getting your error message, that may have been the solution to it for me (but this was ages back and memory is hazy). -- "A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier." - http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/wacky/indeed/story-e6frev20-118083480
Re: Debian 8.6 fails startup for Apple PPCs
Have you tried this in yaboot Linux radeon.agpmode=-1 On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Kristen wrote: > On 10/15/16 3:11 PM, Herminio Hernandez, Jr. wrote: >> I run Debian on a PowerBook G4, iBook G4, PM G4 MDD, and PM G5. I >> have not seen that error before. What graphics card are you using? > > The G3 is an iBook. From http://everymac.com I see the card is an ATI > Mobility Radeon 7500 (2X AGP) with 32 MB of SDRAM > > The G4 Gigabit computer has a AGP ATI Radeon 9600 256MB Mac Pro card. > This is an after market card. > > The G5 iMac has ATI Radeon 9600 with 128 MB of DDR SDRAM (AGP 8X > support). Again per everymac.com listing. > > Of course the G3 and G5 are factory as they can not be changed out. Only > the G4 has another card then factory. > > So it would appear everything is Radeon and I think there is a big > problem with ATI cards and this version of Debian. If I recall, but I > have not searched the archives of this list. > > Kristen > >> >> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Kristen wrote: >>> List, >>> >>> I am wondering if the Apple PowerPC line of computers are still >>> supported in Debian? I have tried to use a netinstall of Debian 8.6.0 on >>> a G3 iBook, a G4 MP, and a G5 iMac and all have failed in the same manner. >>> >>> The install appears to progress wonderfully. However after the initial >>> reboot the system fails with a message reading "Oh no! Something has >>> gone wrong.". If I click the button to "Log out" I am given only a blank >>> black screen. The virtual terminals also fail to respond. I suppose I >>> can SSH in if I hunt for the IP address assigned via DHCP. >>> >>> Any thoughts about this? >>> >>> Kristen >>> >> > >
Re: Debian 8.6 fails startup for Apple PPCs
On 10/15/16 3:11 PM, Herminio Hernandez, Jr. wrote: > I run Debian on a PowerBook G4, iBook G4, PM G4 MDD, and PM G5. I > have not seen that error before. What graphics card are you using? The G3 is an iBook. From http://everymac.com I see the card is an ATI Mobility Radeon 7500 (2X AGP) with 32 MB of SDRAM The G4 Gigabit computer has a AGP ATI Radeon 9600 256MB Mac Pro card. This is an after market card. The G5 iMac has ATI Radeon 9600 with 128 MB of DDR SDRAM (AGP 8X support). Again per everymac.com listing. Of course the G3 and G5 are factory as they can not be changed out. Only the G4 has another card then factory. So it would appear everything is Radeon and I think there is a big problem with ATI cards and this version of Debian. If I recall, but I have not searched the archives of this list. Kristen > > On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Kristen wrote: >> List, >> >> I am wondering if the Apple PowerPC line of computers are still >> supported in Debian? I have tried to use a netinstall of Debian 8.6.0 on >> a G3 iBook, a G4 MP, and a G5 iMac and all have failed in the same manner. >> >> The install appears to progress wonderfully. However after the initial >> reboot the system fails with a message reading "Oh no! Something has >> gone wrong.". If I click the button to "Log out" I am given only a blank >> black screen. The virtual terminals also fail to respond. I suppose I >> can SSH in if I hunt for the IP address assigned via DHCP. >> >> Any thoughts about this? >> >> Kristen >> > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Debian 8.6 fails startup for Apple PPCs
I run Debian on a PowerBook G4, iBook G4, PM G4 MDD, and PM G5. I have not seen that error before. What graphics card are you using? On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Kristen wrote: > List, > > I am wondering if the Apple PowerPC line of computers are still > supported in Debian? I have tried to use a netinstall of Debian 8.6.0 on > a G3 iBook, a G4 MP, and a G5 iMac and all have failed in the same manner. > > The install appears to progress wonderfully. However after the initial > reboot the system fails with a message reading "Oh no! Something has > gone wrong.". If I click the button to "Log out" I am given only a blank > black screen. The virtual terminals also fail to respond. I suppose I > can SSH in if I hunt for the IP address assigned via DHCP. > > Any thoughts about this? > > Kristen >
