cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The 'Maintainer' in NM is a misnomer, I understand it is possible to go
through NM as a translator or documentation writer.
I also had replies from Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt and Eddy PetriÅor
saying similar things. The first two paragraphs of the NM
On 2006/04/06, at 15:27, MJ Ray wrote:
We've thoroughly queered the pitch now, but how many translators
or documenters believed they could go through NM?
I think what matters more than the process itself is what Clytie just
wrote:
The point is, Frans, since I started this discussion,
On 4/6/06, JC Helary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about calling it New Developer if that's what it should be?
New Member ?
That would have the advantage (and disadvantage, at the same time) the
the abbreviation stays the same.
Advantage, because of people inertia calling it NM
Disadvantage,
On 2006/04/06, at 17:00, Eddy Petrişor wrote:
On 4/6/06, JC Helary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about calling it New Developer if that's what it should be?
New Member ?
That would have the advantage (and disadvantage, at the same time) the
the abbreviation stays the same.
And also the
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 05:24:26PM +0900, JC Helary wrote:
Disadvantage, because the change will not be so evident from the
outside (more of a publicity issue, but that is what a part of the
problem is, so we need to change the image that DD=package maintainer)
No because, as you'll see in my
JC Helary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No because, as you'll see in my edits to cobako's proposal, the aim =20
is to have people think in terms of membership and not in terms of =20
developership. Which will obviously make it easier for long term =20
non-maintainer contributors to understand that they
No because, as you'll see in my edits to cobako's proposal, the aim
is to have people think in terms of membership and not in terms of
developership. Which will obviously make it easier for long term
non-maintainer contributors to understand that they are also welcome.
All this is really a
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 02:30:46AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 05:24:26PM +0900, JC Helary wrote:
Disadvantage, because the change will not be so evident from the
outside (more of a publicity issue, but that is what a part of the
problem is, so we need to change the
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The 'Maintainer' in NM is a misnomer, I understand it is possible to go
through NM as a translator or documentation writer.
I also had replies from Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt and Eddy Petrişor
saying similar things.
Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How about calling it New Developer if that's what it should be?
Why does it need to be changed? People maintain websites, translations,
documentation, packages - I don't see a reason to change the current
name.
It seems to cause confusion with the
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 07:19:22AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
Hi Steve,
you and others use the word 'contributing', 'contribute',
'contributions'. So why not 'Debian Contributor'.
Ghaah.
Because I'm a developer, who develops an operating system, not just
someone who merely 'contributes' to it.
JC Helary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
(We also have plenty of people who contribute heavily to the
project without being recognized as members; but I think that
member is a lesser title that doesn't do justice to their
contributions -- I want to see these people recognized as
*developers*,
On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:18:13 +0100 MJ Ray wrote:
Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How about calling it New Developer if that's what it should be?
Why does it need to be changed? People maintain websites,
translations, documentation, packages - I don't see a reason to
change
On 2006/04/06, at 22:21, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
If people don't understand that you don't have to write code to be a
developer, then they should be told. If they are told, and they
misunderstand, then that is a bug which should be fixed. But don't go
around claiming that I'm suddenly not a
On Thursday 06 April 2006 15:29, JC Helary wrote:
Nobody's saying that you are going to stop being a developer. You can
be proud of what you do being a developer. You've earned that status.
But requiring people who are not software developers to understand
they suddenly have become developers
* JC Helary ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060406 16:14]:
However true that technically is, it clearly does not contribute to
the well-being of non-maintainer contributors in the Project.
I agree to that statement - but that shouldn't make us replace the nice
term Debian Developer with a not-so-nice
On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:29:54 +0900 JC Helary wrote:
The bug is in the relation between from new maintainer-to
developer and the corollary other contributors don't _need_ to
become developers.
However true that technically is, it clearly does not contribute to
the well-being of
Jonas Smedegaard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:18:13 +0100 MJ Ray wrote:
[...] It seems better to name it after the
target of the process, what they become - a Developer.
The Maintainer mentioned in a package control field is a Package
Maintainer.
I fail to see why details
On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:35:38 +0100 MJ Ray wrote:
Jonas Smedegaard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:18:13 +0100 MJ Ray wrote:
[...] It seems better to name it after the
target of the process, what they become - a Developer.
The Maintainer mentioned in a package control field
On 2006/04/06, at 22:50, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote:
And anyway, it's not like people who should consider to join have
nothing to do with Debian and don't know the particularities of its
culture - even if this is unclear to people who are new to Debian, it
should be no problem for an active
On 2006/04/06, at 23:18, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
Also even if -from an outsiders perspective- the jargon used is
quirky and
strange. I have to wonder:
if one is not even willing to look at the jargon used by the
project from
the projects point of view. Then why on earth would
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 11:33:05PM +0900, JC Helary wrote:
On 2006/04/06, at 22:50, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote:
And anyway, it's not like people who should consider to join have
nothing to do with Debian and don't know the particularities of its
culture - even if this is unclear to
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 10:29:54PM +0900, JC Helary wrote:
On 2006/04/06, at 22:21, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
If people don't understand that you don't have to write code to be a
developer, then they should be told. If they are told, and they
misunderstand, then that is a bug which should be
Jonas Smedegaard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:35:38 +0100 MJ Ray wrote:
Of your last 20 recorded uses of the word Maintainer on
debian lists before this thread that I found, you use it once
in another meaning (webmaster) and that was uncapitalised.
Which makes Maintainer
Dear Webmaster,
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We have already added your site to the
JC Helary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 2006/04/06, at 22:50, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote:
And anyway, it's not like people who should consider to join have
nothing to do with Debian and don't know the particularities of its
culture - even if this is unclear to people who are new to Debian, it
quote who=Henning Makholm date=Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 02:32:26PM +0200
Scripsit Benj. Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think that the fact that the upload keyring is the same as the
voting keyring is bad. Contributors are told they can't vote until
they learn C compiler flags.
Who tells
quote who=Manoj Srivastava date=Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 09:13:30AM -0500
On 4 Apr 2006, Benj. Mako Hill spake thusly:
quote who=Wouter Verhelst date=Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 08:58:57AM
+0200
The problem is more one of 'how do we identify those people that
aren't a Developer, but that do
quote who=Steve Langasek date=Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 02:30:46AM -0700
And maybe I'm too heavily steeped in Debian culture to take an
objective view, but I don't see any reason why translators,
documentation writers, artists, et al. should look at the term
developer and conclude it's not for
On 6 Apr 2006, JC Helary said:
On 2006/04/06, at 22:50, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote:
And anyway, it's not like people who should consider to join have
nothing to do with Debian and don't know the particularities of its
culture - even if this is unclear to people who are new to Debian,
it
On 6 Apr 2006, Benj. Mako Hill told this:
quote who=Steve Langasek date=Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 02:30:46AM
-0700
And maybe I'm too heavily steeped in Debian culture to take an
objective view, but I don't see any reason why translators,
documentation writers, artists, et al. should look at the
On 6 Apr 2006, JC Helary uttered the following:
On 2006/04/06, at 23:18, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
Also even if -from an outsiders perspective- the jargon used is
quirky and strange. I have to wonder: if one is not even willing to
look at the jargon used by the project from the
(warning: spoilers)
Stop that.
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to, 2006-04-06 kello 15:05 -0500, Manoj Srivastava kirjoitti:
On 6 Apr 2006, JC Helary said:
Obviously this thread started with somebody who is a very active
contributor for whom it was unclear.
Active contributor to Ubuntu, I think. She should get Ubuntu
voting rights.
On 6 Apr 2006, Lars Wirzenius uttered the following:
to, 2006-04-06 kello 15:05 -0500, Manoj Srivastava kirjoitti:
On 6 Apr 2006, JC Helary said:
Obviously this thread started with somebody who is a very active
contributor for whom it was unclear.
Active contributor to Ubuntu, I think. She
* Benj. Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006:04:06 15:35 -0400]:
quote who=Henning Makholm date=Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 02:32:26PM +0200
Scripsit Benj. Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think that the fact that the upload keyring is the same as the
voting keyring is bad. Contributors are told
On 4/6/06, Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Did it ever occur to you that one can be an active Debian contributor
and not use Debian at all ?
No. And even if it did, I fail to see how that is relevant here. You
cannot be an active Debian contributor without knowing about its
On 4/6/06, Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nobody's saying that you are going to stop being a developer. You can
be proud of what you do being a developer. You've earned that status.
But requiring people who are not software developers to understand
they suddenly have become
On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:56:06 +0100 MJ Ray wrote:
Jonas Smedegaard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:35:38 +0100 MJ Ray wrote:
Of your last 20 recorded uses of the word Maintainer on
debian lists before this thread that I found, you use it once
in another meaning (webmaster) and
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Unfortunately, I think most if that is from before we drove
her away from Debian into the arms of Ubuntu.
Clytie is on record as IIRC, using OSX and contributing to as many
translations of free software projects as she can, whether she
personally uses them or
On Thursday 06 April 2006 23:55, Erinn Clark wrote:
Do you mean this question? (Actually about ld, but it's the closest one
I found that seemed appropriately irrelevant.)
I3. What is the -Bsymbolic ld flag, exactly what does it do, and
how that differs from library symbol versioning? What
On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 12:35:54AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
On Thursday 06 April 2006 23:55, Erinn Clark wrote:
Do you mean this question? (Actually about ld, but it's the closest one
I found that seemed appropriately irrelevant.)
I3. What is the -Bsymbolic ld flag, exactly what does
On 6 Apr 2006, Eddy Petrişor said:
On 4/6/06, Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Did it ever occur to you that one can be an active Debian
contributor and not use Debian at all ?
No. And even if it did, I fail to see how that is relevant
here. You cannot be an active Debian
Scripsit Benj. Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
quote who=Henning Makholm date=Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 02:32:26PM +0200
Scripsit Benj. Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think that the fact that the upload keyring is the same as the
voting keyring is bad. Contributors are told they can't vote until
On Thu, 06 Apr 2006, Benj. Mako Hill wrote:
quote who=Henning Makholm date=Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 02:32:26PM +0200
Scripsit Benj. Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think that the fact that the upload keyring is the same as the
voting keyring is bad. Contributors are told they can't vote
Scripsit Jeroen van Wolffelaar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I3. What is the -Bsymbolic ld flag, exactly what does it do, and
how that differs from library symbol versioning? What problems do
-Bsymbolic linking solve? Why is libc6 not compiled with -Bsymbolic?
I've never maintained a C library,
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