Re: NEW queue

2008-10-27 Thread Clint Adams
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:45:47PM +, Stephen Gran wrote: > argued that everyone can and should work together. I just mentioned > that if the pool of people willing to do annoyingly tedious work in > exchange for being insulted regularly on mailing lists was that large, > we should have seen m

work and live in canada

2008-10-27 Thread First NameKatherine Pritcard
You're invited to "work and live in canada". By your host First NameKatherine Pritcard: Date: Tuesday October 28, 2008 Time: 1:00 am - 2:00 am (GMT +00:00) Will you attend? RSVP to this invitation at: http://calendar.yahoo.com/brunswick_halifaxinfo?v

Re: Debian Logo stoled

2008-10-27 Thread C.M. Connelly
"BF" == Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> BF> For this, though, the relevant field is not copyright; it's BF> trademark. BF> Debian does, IIRC, have a trademark monopoly on the Debian BF> logos; but I can't find reference to that, so I may be BF> wrong. I'll continue on the ass

Re: motivation (Re: It's all about trust)

2008-10-27 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Mon Oct 27 20:28, Holger Levsen wrote: > Her basic idea is, that in addictive games the first levels of success are > easy to achieve and then it gets harder, but only so slowly so that people > dont loose motivation. She also manages very well to carry this over to free > software developmen

Re: Debian 0.91 beta

2008-10-27 Thread Joerg Jaspert
> Please get it from here: > http://www.greffrath.com/debian/archive/debian-0.91beta.tar.gz Now, while I was moving sarge to archive.d.o I wanted to get this there too. Unfortunately I can't. Its binary only. Does *anyone* have sources for such old Debian releases? -- bye, Joerg I'm James Tro

Re: Developer Status

2008-10-27 Thread Felipe Sateler
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 04:24:24PM -0300, Felipe Sateler wrote: >> The Debian Contributor class is a class of people that the Debian >> project doesn't give any tool/resource to do their work. > > Which is untrue: > > - you can dig in this thread and you will find mem

motivation (Re: It's all about trust)

2008-10-27 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Monday 27 October 2008 17:20, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > If someone is only trustable to package perl modules, shouldn't he be a > > DM instead of a DD? > We might want him to be able to package new perl modules on his own? Where > do you draw the line? If you maintain 20 or 50 perl modules

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 27/10/08 at 17:20 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > On 27/10/08 at 16:40 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > > > - this process might be too heavy with fine-grained privileges as it > > > > > would > >

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 27/10/08 at 16:40 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > > - this process might be too heavy with fine-grained privileges as it > > > > would > > > > require the intervention of many DD each time we have

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 27/10/08 at 16:40 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > - this process might be too heavy with fine-grained privileges as it would > > > require the intervention of many DD each time we have to grant a right > > > (when trusting the decision of 2 m

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > - this process might be too heavy with fine-grained privileges as it would > > require the intervention of many DD each time we have to grant a right > > (when trusting the decision of 2 members with special rights would be > > enough). > > That

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 27/10/08 at 16:01 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Power-hungry might well be interested by this role but when 20 other > people have the same power, you really don't gain much with your power. > Unfairness is difficult to avoid as all human judgment have a subjective > part… but I don't see why

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, thanks for your comment. For reference, people might not have noticed but my initial mail was not only a reply to liw's mail but a real alternative proposal. BTW, I added some further explanations on my blog: http://www.ouaza.com/wp/2008/10/27/debian-membership-reform/ On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lu

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 24/10/08 at 21:59 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > As such I really don't buy that all DD should be equal when it comes to > technical work however I do think we have to move in the direction where > we broaden our membership to new kind of contributors and that all > contributors should hav

Re: giving @debian.org mail addresses to voting contributors

2008-10-27 Thread cobaco
On Sunday 2008-10-26, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Well, different weight. To be able to clearly seperate (using the terms > of my much-discussed text) "is a DC/DM" and "is a DME/DD". Basically > the look to the outside (press, users, etc), if a DC/DM writes something > it is less binding to the project

Re: giving @debian.org mail addresses to voting contributors

2008-10-27 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 02:07:16AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > The idea for contributor.d.o includes either to reserve all existing > debian.org UIDs within the @contributor.d.o namespace or activate > them as forwarding or giving people the choice to activate or > whatever. What about the other

Re: Developer Status

2008-10-27 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 04:24:24PM -0300, Felipe Sateler wrote: > The Debian Contributor class is a class of people that the Debian > project doesn't give any tool/resource to do their work. Which is untrue: - you can dig in this thread and you will find members of DSA stating that DC can be gi

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership

2008-10-27 Thread Michael Banck
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 09:56:09PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Secondly, What exactly to these members of the project do, if > they do not vote or upload packages? They might commit to the webml repository or sent mails to debian-news, e.g. Of course, they could just vote as well,