Re: trademark licenses and DFSG: a summary

2012-02-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 19 feb 12, 19:56:11, Uoti Urpala wrote: Stefano Zacchiroli leader at debian.org writes: - Debian should neither seek nor accept trademark licenses that are specific to the Debian Project. (Suggested by Steve Langasek. In addition to Steve's reasoning, I think that doing

Re: OSI affiliation

2012-02-20 Thread MJ Ray
Jose Luis Rivas ghost...@debian.org On 02/17/2012 06:11 PM, MJ Ray wrote: http://people.debian.org/~mjr/legal/fsf-osi-list-diff.txt shows the ones where OSI and FSF disagree, but what's the point of knowing which are involved? Basically, OSI has aided proliferation. The point of my

Re: trademark licenses and DFSG: a summary

2012-02-20 Thread MJ Ray
Stefano Zacchiroli lea...@debian.org Going through the above, I suspect that the first provision (extending DFSG §4) might be controversial. But the more I think of it, the more convinced I am that it'd be in the spirit of the current wording of DFSG §4, as hinted by the title of DFSG §4. In

Re: trademark licenses and DFSG: a summary

2012-02-20 Thread Uoti Urpala
Craig Small csmall at debian.org writes: tentacles of evil problem. Trademark isn't all about trust, it's also about control. We, unfortunately, cannot ignore it but we have to deal with it our way. All of the sections in the DFSG are important. We could of, when framing the DFSG, gone the

Re: trademark licenses and DFSG: a summary

2012-02-20 Thread Uoti Urpala
Andrei POPESCU andreimpopescu at gmail.com writes: On Du, 19 feb 12, 19:56:11, Uoti Urpala wrote: Thus, I think it would make sense to have arrangements allowing Debian specifically to modify the software in ways deemed necessary by the project without asking permission for each

Re: trademark licenses and DFSG: a summary

2012-02-20 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 03:26:59PM +, Uoti Urpala a écrit : If you want to allow doing all modifications permitted by the DFSG (which includes obnoxious ones) without the effort of rebranding, then you must remove all use of trademarks from Debian, including the Debian trademark itself.

Re: trademark licenses and DFSG: a summary

2012-02-20 Thread Craig Small
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 03:26:59PM +, Uoti Urpala wrote: You can't trust entities like Debian to stay good forever. The only practical way to maintain trust is to maintain some degree of control. You can't enumerate all the possible kinds of badness you'd want to forbid, and then grant a

Re: trademark licenses and DFSG: a summary

2012-02-20 Thread Ben Finney
Uoti Urpala uoti.urp...@pp1.inet.fi writes: Stefano Zacchiroli leader at debian.org writes: - Debian should neither seek nor accept trademark licenses that are specific to the Debian Project. (Suggested by Steve Langasek. In addition to Steve's reasoning, I think that doing

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Re: trademark licenses and DFSG: a summary

2012-02-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, 2012-02-21 at 01:12 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 03:26:59PM +, Uoti Urpala a écrit : If you want to allow doing all modifications permitted by the DFSG (which includes obnoxious ones) without the effort of rebranding, then you must remove all use of

Re: trademark licenses and DFSG: a summary

2012-02-20 Thread Charles Plessy
Hi all, I think that we can't make requirements or recommendations on others trademarks without applying them to ourselves. Have we used our trademarks in the past, and how are we expecting to use them in the future ? Then, how does this use complies with our social contract ? Compared to