Re: Should mailing list bans be published?

2013-10-27 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:46:41AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: So I don't think bans need to be posted anywhere prominent like debian-devel-announce, but I do think basic facts like who is banned, for how long, and the rationale (with links to specific mailing list posts as reference) should be

Re: Should mailing list bans be published?

2013-10-27 Thread Alexander Wirt
On Sun, 27 Oct 2013, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:46:41AM -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : What do the rest of you think? Given how arbitrarly other bans have been proposed, I think that the outcome should stay private unless the banned person wishes so. This will

Re: Should mailing list bans be published?

2013-10-27 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
Hi! In general I agree, but one reason can fire back: * Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org [2013-10-26 19:46:41 CEST]: - It provides a reference point for newcomers to the Debian community to judge their actions by, to understand what kinds of things will get them banned from

Re: Should mailing list bans be published?

2013-10-27 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 09:00:20AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:46:41AM -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : What do the rest of you think? Given how arbitrarly other bans have been proposed, I think that the outcome should stay private unless the banned person

Re: Should mailing list bans be published?

2013-10-27 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Sonntag, 27. Oktober 2013, 07:58:03 schrieb Lars Wirzenius: On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 09:00:20AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:46:41AM -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : What do the rest of you think? Given how arbitrarly other bans have been proposed, I think

Re: Should mailing list bans be published?

2013-10-27 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Sonntag, 27. Oktober 2013, 08:54:30 schrieb Enrico Zini: On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 05:27:25PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Simply obfuscating the name on the list of banned users (or not posting any names at all, only links to the posts that led to the ban) would I'm in favour of not posting

Re: Should mailing list bans be published?

2013-10-27 Thread Boris Pek
Hi, What do the rest of you think? +1 for publishing the facts of bans and their reasons in a public mailing list. Only with one correction which have been well described by Rhonda: - It provides a reference point for newcomers to the Debian community to judge their actions by, to

Re: Should mailing list bans be published?

2013-10-27 Thread Alexander Wirt
On Sun, 27 Oct 2013, Boris Pek wrote: Hi, What do the rest of you think? +1 for publishing the facts of bans and their reasons in a public mailing list. Only with one correction which have been well described by Rhonda: - It provides a reference point for newcomers to the Debian

Re: Should mailing list bans be published?

2013-10-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 05:27:25PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Bart Martens wrote: I suggest we keep things civil, with respect for the persons involved. It's really not up to Debian to harm someone's reputation, and that could reflect bad on Debian's reputation. Approaches I could support

Re: Should mailing list bans be published?

2013-10-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: This also seems like a good compromise to me. Do the other folks who object to publishing information that could damage the poster's reputation (e.g., Bart, Ingo) think this is ok? The problem that I have with publicly posting mailing list bans is

Re: Should mailing list bans be published?

2013-10-27 Thread Florian Weimer
* Joey Hess: Simply obfuscating the name on the list of banned users (or not posting any names at all, only links to the posts that led to the ban) would eliminate most reputational damage. Ie, random searches for that person would not turn up a high pagerank debian.org page listing their

Re: Should mailing list bans be published?

2013-10-27 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
Hi. Perhaps one should think whether such publishing might have legal consequences... In some countries (like the US) it seems not be so uncommon to publicly name offenders or criminals on webpages... in Europe though, you might get into legal troubles. Cheers, Chris. smime.p7s Description:

Re: Should mailing list bans be published?

2013-10-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Christoph Anton Mitterer cales...@scientia.net writes: Perhaps one should think whether such publishing might have legal consequences... In some countries (like the US) it seems not be so uncommon to publicly name offenders or criminals on webpages... in Europe though, you might get into

Re: Should mailing list bans be published?

2013-10-27 Thread Charles Plessy
On Sun, 27 Oct 2013, Charles Plessy wrote: In parallel, I think that we need some technical or social pressure for limiting to 1 or 2 messages a day each individual contribution to long threads. Le Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 07:35:56AM +0100, Alexander Wirt a écrit : That is nonsense. There

Stepping down as a Policy Editor.

2013-10-27 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 10:54:02AM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit : I have just uploaded the Debian Policy 3.9.5.0. Dear all, this upload represent one year of work, and it was a very interesting experience, where I leaned a lot about the Debian packaging system. Unfortunately, my enthusiasm

Re: Should mailing list bans be published?

2013-10-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 10:33:42PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: * Joey Hess: Simply obfuscating the name on the list of banned users (or not posting any names at all, only links to the posts that led to the ban) would eliminate most reputational damage. Ie, random searches for that

Re: Should mailing list bans be published?

2013-10-27 Thread Bart Martens
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 12:46:07PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 05:27:25PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Bart Martens wrote: I suggest we keep things civil, with respect for the persons involved. It's really not up to Debian to harm someone's reputation, and that