Re: Reminder: Removing 2048 bit keys from the Debian keyrings

2014-11-13 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Brian Nelson: Wouldn't it make more sense to ask these people privately what is getting in the way of a switch to a stronger key? They have been asked. Repeatedly. I haven't been asked. I've received a few reminders that I need a new key with signatures, but I haven't been

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-13 Thread Ian Jackson
Russ Allbery writes (Re: Being part of a community and behaving): We waited two years, during which positions hardened, people got angrier and angrier, and there were increasing demands to force the issue. Serious question: how much longer were we realistically going to wait with zero sign of

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-13 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Ian, On Donnerstag, 13. November 2014, Ian Jackson wrote: The correct reaction to people not adopting your software is to make your software better, not to conduct an aggressive marketing campaign aimed at persuading upstreams to built it in as a dependency, nor to overrun distro mailing

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-13 Thread Simon Chopin
Hi, Could you please keep this whole mess on the mailing lists where it came from? I (and I believe others) have unsubscribed from -devel and -vote because we were fed up with the endless debate around the whole systemd issue. Please don't make us also unsubscribe from -project ? Cheers, Simon

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-13 Thread Ian Jackson
Simon Chopin writes (Re: Being part of a community and behaving): Could you please keep this whole mess on the mailing lists where it came from? I (and I believe others) have unsubscribed from -devel and -vote because we were fed up with the endless debate around the whole systemd issue.

Re: Reminder: Removing 2048 bit keys from the Debian keyrings

2014-11-13 Thread Michael Banck
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 02:35:55PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh dijo [Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 07:11:14PM -0200]: On Sat, 08 Nov 2014, Richard Hartmann wrote: Interpretation is in the eye of the bee holder, but I am considering to attach this list to my weekly bug

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-13 Thread Philip Hands
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: Russ Allbery writes (Re: Being part of a community and behaving): We waited two years, during which positions hardened, people got angrier and angrier, and there were increasing demands to force the issue. Serious question: how much longer

Re: Reminder: Removing 2048 bit keys from the Debian keyrings

2014-11-13 Thread Michael Banck
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 06:33:28PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: AIUI, you need to have at least one(?) additional signature on your new 2048+ RSA key on top of your old DSA key, correct? I meant on top of the signature from your old DSA key. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-13 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 04:53:30PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: The correct reaction to people not adopting your software is to make your software better, not to conduct an aggressive marketing campaign aimed at persuading upstreams to built it in as a dependency, nor to overrun distro mailing

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: Russ Allbery writes (Re: Being part of a community and behaving): We waited two years, during which positions hardened, people got angrier and angrier, and there were increasing demands to force the issue. Serious question: how much longer

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-13 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 05:32:34PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Could you please keep this whole mess on the mailing lists where it came from? I (and I believe others) have unsubscribed from -devel and -vote because we were fed up with the endless debate around the whole systemd issue. Please

Re: Reminder: Removing 2048 bit keys from the Debian keyrings

2014-11-13 Thread Brian Nelson
Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org writes: Brian Nelson dijo [Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 05:09:02PM -0500]: Wouldn't it make more sense to ask these people privately what is getting in the way of a switch to a stronger key? They have been asked. Repeatedly. I haven't been asked. I've received

debian-boston-soc

2014-11-13 Thread Sam Hartman
Apologies for the debian-boston-soc mailing list going away. I changed infrastructure a couple of years ago and it made it a bit more difficult to host mailing lists. I'd be happy if someone else wanted to run a Debian Boston mailing list, and I'd be willing to make the effort to bring the list

Re: Reminder: Removing 2048 bit keys from the Debian keyrings

2014-11-13 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Brian Nelson dijo [Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 02:27:59PM -0500]: Well I have a new key but it doesn't have any signatures on it other than my own, and I haven't encountered another developer in years to have it signed. I've been listed on https://wiki.debian.org/Keysigning/Offers for years (two

Re: Reminder: Removing 2048 bit keys from the Debian keyrings

2014-11-13 Thread Brian Nelson
Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org writes: Brian Nelson dijo [Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 02:27:59PM -0500]: Well I have a new key but it doesn't have any signatures on it other than my own, and I haven't encountered another developer in years to have it signed. I've been listed on

Re: Reminder: Removing 2048 bit keys from the Debian keyrings

2014-11-13 Thread Arno Töll
Hi Brian, On 13.11.2014 23:43, Brian Nelson wrote: I'll show them some identification to prove I'm a Brian Michael Nelson which, since the other Brian Michael Nelson in the project retired, means I'm probably the one still active. I'll be able to submit a stronger key, but what exactly has

Re: debian-boston-soc

2014-11-13 Thread Miles Fidelman
Sam Hartman wrote: Apologies for the debian-boston-soc mailing list going away. I changed infrastructure a couple of years ago and it made it a bit more difficult to host mailing lists. I'd be happy if someone else wanted to run a Debian Boston mailing list, and I'd be willing to make the

Re: debian-boston-soc

2014-11-13 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Sam Hartman wrote: Apologies for the debian-boston-soc mailing list going away. I changed infrastructure a couple of years ago and it made it a bit more difficult to host mailing lists. I'd be happy if someone else wanted to run a Debian Boston mailing list,

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-13 Thread The Wanderer
On 11/13/2014 at 12:29 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 04:53:30PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: The correct reaction to people not adopting your software is to make your software better, not to conduct an aggressive marketing campaign aimed at persuading upstreams to built it in

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-13 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Ian Jackson dijo [Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 04:53:30PM +]: The correct reaction to people not adopting your software is to make your software better, not to conduct an aggressive marketing campaign aimed at persuading upstreams to built it in as a dependency, nor to overrun distro mailing lists

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-13 Thread Miles Fidelman
Gunnar Wolf wrote: Ian Jackson dijo [Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 04:53:30PM +]: The correct reaction to people not adopting your software is to make your software better, not to conduct an aggressive marketing campaign aimed at persuading upstreams to built it in as a dependency, nor to overrun

Thanks Russ for all your hard work

2014-11-13 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Russ, I just feel the need to express my deep thanks to all your work in Debian specifically in the endless systemd debate. While I'm personally very neutral and just expect my computer to boot (which it does with systemd) I really appreciate all your sensible and always patient mails on the