On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 11:21:03PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> People in the US are used to minority quotas in various places.
>
> In most European countries it would be considered unacceptable racism
> if skin color would play any role in university admission.
[...]
> Children in the US grow up
On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 11:21:03PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>...
> People should be expected to research movements that are relevant only
>...
People should *not* be expected to ...
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Adrian
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On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 08:14:40AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
>
> [listmaster copied in hopes they will agree with my assessment here]
>...
> If you are going to participate in a diversity discussion beyond a
> certain point you do need to actually spend some time with google just
> as you would
I think this thread has mostly run its course, but there's a point in here
that's extremely important to me that I can't leave unsaid.
Holger Levsen writes:
> and btw, just about celebrating hispanic heritage... the Spanish were
> responsible (with a bunch of other European countries) for
> "Holger" == Holger Levsen writes:
Holger> On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 02:07:37PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
>> But I don't want there to be a chilling effect out of fear.
Holger> yet today you asked this discussion to be stopped, even
Holger> though the thread was civil and
On Tue, Jul 02 2019, Jonathan Carter wrote:
> On 2019/07/02 11:26, Marc Haber wrote:
>> I do feel significantly less welcome in Debian since diversity /
>> antiharassment / policitcal correctnes / CoC came around the corner.
>
> How so regarding diversity/antiharassment/CoC? They do nothing to
>
At 2019-07-02T08:42:43-0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
> The tone is absolutely civilized.
>
> And yet, the cost to people who have to do this education again and
> again is really high.
Yes, and therein rests the utility of allies.
Speaking for myself I'd like to endorse the contributions to this
On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 02:07:37PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
> But I don't want there to be a chilling effect out of fear.
yet today you asked this discussion to be stopped, even though the
thread was civil and on-topic.
and btw, just about celebrating hispanic heritage... the Spanish were
On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 02:44:33PM +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> and btw, just about celebrating hispanic heritage... the Spanish were
> responsible (with a bunch of other European countries) for destroying
> several cultures in the Americas (and elsewhere), slaughtering people
> and what not and
On 7/1/19 9:10 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
Zlatan Todoric writes:
In my opinion, and as Russ explained about becoming political is
basically unavoidable, I would be actually up for celebrating things
that can (should?) be worldwide celebrated - community celebrating Pride
Month is in my opinion
> On 2 Jul 2019, at 14:53, Gerardo Ballabio wrote:
>
> In fact, I agree that the Publicity Team should normally be trusted to
> do the right thing.
Can we just settle on this and move on with our lives?
Ondrej
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ond...@sury.org
I'm sorry Sam. I sent my last message before reading yours.
I will now abstain from further posting.
Gerardo
Hi all,
Le Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 11:25:41AM +0100, Colin Watson a écrit :
>
> point out that, on average, members of those groups have an easier time
Le Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 03:26:37PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
>
> if there are gestures we could make that would make those people feel
>
Marc Haber writes:
> On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 10:35:21AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
>> How about a month of welcoming *all* contributors regardless of their
>> skin color, their sexual orientation, their political viewpoints, their
>> appearance?
>
> Does having a "month of welcome" for
Il giorno lun 1 lug 2019 alle ore 18:24 Russ Allbery
ha scritto:
> That said, how *do* you want to handle this, assuming that other people in
> the project do want to acknowledge important events for our community
> members? For example, Debian has made note of Diwali in the past in
> various
Jonathan Carter - 02.07.19, 10:54:
> On 2019/07/02 10:35, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > How about a month of welcoming *all* contributors regardless of
> > their
> > skin color, their sexual orientation, their political viewpoints,
> > their appearance?
> >
> > How about "all is welcome here"?
>
Colin Watson - 02.07.19, 12:25:
> On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 11:07:39AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > Actually I felt something like similar like this myself before (not
> > related to the pridemonth thing). There still a lot of oppression of
> > women and a lack of progress on equal pay for
On Tue, 02 Jul 2019, Sam Hartman wrote:
> > "Alexander" == Alexander Wirt writes:
>
> Alexander> On Tue, 02 Jul 2019, Sam Hartman wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [listmaster copied in hopes they will agree with my assessment
> >> here]
> Alexander> I don't agree, I
> "Alexander" == Alexander Wirt writes:
Alexander> On Tue, 02 Jul 2019, Sam Hartman wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> [listmaster copied in hopes they will agree with my assessment
>> here]
Alexander> I don't agree, I think that discussion is important and
Alexander> the
On Tue, 02 Jul 2019, Sam Hartman wrote:
>
>
>
> [listmaster copied in hopes they will agree with my assessment here]
I don't agree, I think that discussion is important and the tone is still
civilized.
Alex - Listmaster - but mainly speaking for myself
[listmaster copied in hopes they will agree with my assessment here]
The pride month discussion has gone beyond what's appropriate for
debian-project at this point and has served its purpose.
It's possible that small sub threads may have some value, but overall,
I think that the discussion
On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 11:07:39AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Actually I felt something like similar like this myself before (not
> related to the pridemonth thing). There still a lot of oppression of
> women and a lack of progress on equal pay for equal work and so on… I
> acknowledge
Marc Haber writes:
> Why dont we just welcome people based on the technology they care for?
To bring an example from my own professional work (astrophysics):
At the 233th conference of the American Astronomical Society (AAS), Jan
2019, there was a plenary talk by Caitlin Casey, Assistant
On 2019/07/02 11:26, Marc Haber wrote:
> I do feel significantly less welcome in Debian since diversity /
> antiharassment / policitcal correctnes / CoC came around the corner.
How so regarding diversity/antiharassment/CoC? They do nothing to
threaten or downgrade the importance of any Debian
On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 10:24:33PM +0200, Karsten Merker wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 09:24:34AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > Gerardo Ballabio writes:
> [...]
> > > And I don't think that this is, or should be, within the bounds of the
> > > Publicity Team delegation.
> >
> > I think this
On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 10:54:08AM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote:
> On 2019/07/02 10:35, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > How about a month of welcoming *all* contributors regardless of their
> > skin color, their sexual orientation, their political viewpoints, their
> > appearance?
> >
> > How
Marc Haber - 02.07.19, 11:06:
> On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 10:35:21AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > How about a month of welcoming *all* contributors regardless of
> > their
> > skin color, their sexual orientation, their political viewpoints,
> > their appearance?
>
> Does having a "month of
Martin Steigerwald - 02.07.19, 10:35:
> Russ Allbery - 02.07.19, 00:26:
> > Adrian Bunk writes:
> > > It is also a meaningful gesture if some people are excluded from
> > > being welcomed.
> > >
> > > Would Debian honor a month of white heterosexual men?
> >
> > Do you think people with those
On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 10:35:21AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> How about a month of welcoming *all* contributors regardless of their
> skin color, their sexual orientation, their political viewpoints, their
> appearance?
Does having a "month of welcome" for $GROUP not imply that we're
On 2019/07/02 10:35, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> How about a month of welcoming *all* contributors regardless of their
> skin color, their sexual orientation, their political viewpoints, their
> appearance?
>
> How about "all is welcome here"?
That's basically our default state, so you could
Russ Allbery - 02.07.19, 00:26:
> Adrian Bunk writes:
> > It is also a meaningful gesture if some people are excluded from
> > being welcomed.
> >
> > Would Debian honor a month of white heterosexual men?
>
> Do you think people with those attributes have been made
> systematically unwelcome in
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