Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-12 Thread Ansgar
"Dr. Bas Wijnen" writes: > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 07:49:26PM +0200, Ansgar wrote: >> > Subject: Free Software Needs Free Tools >> > >> > No Debian contributor should be expected or encouraged, when working >> > to improve Debian, to use non-free tools. >> >> Does this include: >> >> - non

Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-12 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Fri, 2019-09-13 at 00:35:23 +, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On September 12, 2019 5:30:24 PM UTC, Sam Hartman wrote: > >Ian said [3] that he was confident if we had a GR to forbid use of > >services > > like Github it would pass. I very much doubt that, TBH, but… > >He proposed the foll

Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-12 Thread Scott Kitterman
On September 12, 2019 5:30:24 PM UTC, Sam Hartman wrote: > >I'm trying to move a thread from -devel. > >Ian Jackson responded [1] to part of a consensus discussion on Git > recommendations. I had said that I think we recommend against the use > of non-free services like Github but do not forb

Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-12 Thread Norbert Preining
On Thu, 12 Sep 2019, Ansgar wrote: > That would just lead to packages using these to no longer including the > Vcs-* fields... There are some valid reasons to host packages on Indeed, that will happen. Best Norbert -- PREINING Norbert http://www.preining.info Acce

Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-12 Thread Yao Wei
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 10:43:59PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > Living up to our own principles is a noble thing, but I'm not keen on > supporting such a GR as I think the drawbacks outweight the benefits for > the project. Does this also imply we are reverting the GR on non-free sections?

Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-12 Thread Dr. Bas Wijnen
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 07:49:26PM +0200, Ansgar wrote: > > Subject: Free Software Needs Free Tools > > > > No Debian contributor should be expected or encouraged, when working > > to improve Debian, to use non-free tools. > > Does this include: > > - non-free firmware on Debian hardware,

Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-12 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le jeudi 12 septembre 2019 à 13:30:24-0400, Sam Hartman a écrit : > I'm trying to move a thread from -devel. > > Ian Jackson responded [1] to part of a consensus discussion on Git > recommendations. I had said that I think we recommend against the use > of non-free services like Github but do

Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-12 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 01:30:24PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > He proposed the following text for such a GR. > > I think such a discussion is better on -project. > > [1]: > > https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/23927.51367.848949.15...@chiark.greenend.org.uk > [2]: https://lists.debian.o

Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-12 Thread Ansgar
> Subject: Free Software Needs Free Tools > > No Debian contributor should be expected or encouraged, when working > to improve Debian, to use non-free tools. Does this include: - non-free firmware on Debian hardware, - non-free software for interacting with hardware, - non-free backup s

Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-12 Thread Sam Hartman
I'm trying to move a thread from -devel. Ian Jackson responded [1] to part of a consensus discussion on Git recommendations. I had said that I think we recommend against the use of non-free services like Github but do not forbid their use. Ian disagreed with this recommendation. I respon