Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-13 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 10:37:58PM +, Dr. Bas Wijnen wrote: > > I would not like to make cooperation with upstream more complicated. > > I agree with that. However, I'm not sure if it would make it harder. How does > this cooperation work, where you need your packaging to be on the same host

Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-13 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le 13 septembre 2019 00:54:47 GMT+02:00, Yao Wei a écrit : >On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 10:43:59PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: >> Living up to our own principles is a noble thing, but I'm not keen on >> supporting such a GR as I think the drawbacks outweight the benefits >for >> the project. >

Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-13 Thread Ian Jackson
Sam Hartman writes ("Debian and Non-Free Services"): > I'm trying to move a thread from -devel. > > Ian Jackson responded [1] to part of a consensus discussion on Git > recommendations. I had said that I think we recommend against the use > of non-free services like Github but do not forbid

Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-13 Thread Louis-Philippe Véronneau
On 19-09-12 20 h 35, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > On September 12, 2019 5:30:24 PM UTC, Sam Hartman wrote: >> >> I'm trying to move a thread from -devel. >> >> Ian Jackson responded [1] to part of a consensus discussion on Git >> recommendations. I had said that I think we recommend against

Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-13 Thread Norbert Preining
On September 14, 2019 12:29:19 AM GMT+09:00, Scott Kitterman wrote: >Is anyone actually doing that? I think this entire thread is nothing >more >than a stalking horse for Ian's crusade to get everyone to use dgit and >we >should just move on. +100 Best comment till now. "Crusade" is the

Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-13 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, September 13, 2019 10:52:37 AM EDT Sam Hartman wrote: > > "MJ" == MJ Ray writes: > MJ> I have some sympathy with the "send a patch to bugs.debian.org" > MJ> view. Do any developers ignore those and tell people to join > MJ> github to use its private version of pull

Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-13 Thread Sam Hartman
> "MJ" == MJ Ray writes: MJ> I have some sympathy with the "send a patch to bugs.debian.org" MJ> view. Do any developers ignore those and tell people to join MJ> github to use its private version of pull requests? I know I MJ> have patches ignored in there but I don't

Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-13 Thread MJ Ray
Fri Sep 13 12:06:35 GMT+01:00 2019 Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov : > чт, 12 сент. 2019 г. в 20:30, Sam Hartman : > > For example, Vcs-Git fields in source packages must not refer to > > proprietary git code management systems. Non-Debian services are > > acceptable here so long as they are

Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-13 Thread Gerardo Ballabio
Bas Wijnen wrote: > note that the proposal is not to say "our users must not be allowed to use > github". It's "our developers must not be allowed to force contributors to > use github". Scott Kitterman wrote: > No one is forced to use any VCS to maintain Debian packages. If you don't > want

Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-13 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 01:30:24PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > Subject: Free Software Needs Free Tools ZOMG. IMO one of the less good ideas brought to this list. I will refrain from further comments for everyones benefit, Ansgar brought up the most relevant objections already. -- cheers,

Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-13 Thread Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov
чт, 12 сент. 2019 г. в 20:30, Sam Hartman : > Subject: Free Software Needs Free Tools > > No Debian contributor should be expected or encouraged, when working > to improve Debian, to use non-free tools. This includes proprietary > web services. We will ensure this, insofar as it is

Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-13 Thread Andy Simpkins
On 12/09/2019 18:30, Sam Hartman wrote: Subject: Free Software Needs Free Tools No Debian contributor should be expected or encouraged, when working to improve Debian, to use non-free tools. I don't believe that anyone within Debian will have a problem with this statement. This

Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-13 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15523 March 1977, Sam Hartman wrote: Subject: Free Software Needs Free Tools I think the subject does not fit the content. Its more like "Forbid DDs to use certain services". No Debian contributor should be expected or encouraged, when working to improve Debian, to use non-free

Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-13 Thread Ansgar
"Dr. Bas Wijnen" writes: > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 07:49:26PM +0200, Ansgar wrote: >> > Subject: Free Software Needs Free Tools >> > >> > No Debian contributor should be expected or encouraged, when working >> > to improve Debian, to use non-free tools. >> >> Does this include: >> >> -