Re: FW: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 7:46 PM Philip Hands wrote: > Of course, Grml isn't a direct output of the Debian project, so perhaps > people might take issue with having that as the "Debian Recovery > Option", but it is closely based on Debian, and includes a couple of > ways of installing vanilla

Re: FW: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Philip Hands
Mark Pearson writes: >>> 3. Rescue partition >>> >>> Laptop manufacturers usually don't ship with physical media anymore. >>> Instead, the laptops have a rescue partition on them for >>> re-installing/resetting the machine. >>> >>> As far as I know both installers we currently use in Debian are

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Martin
On 2020-06-05 12:12, Mark Pearson wrote: > You will be able to buy a Linux system > (albeit not Debian) soon. That's fine with me! If a notebook computer works with any Linux, I'm confident, that I/someone can put Debian on it!

Re: Debian hardware support and enablement for newer devices (was ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux)

2020-06-05 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Fri, Jun 05, 2020 at 12:26:12PM +0200, Ansgar wrote: > > > As a project, how can we improve the current entry level to new > > > companies wanting support for their devices? > > > > Is the backports archive not sufficient for this? I see it doesn't > > contain mesa backports at this point and

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Mark Pearson
Hi Martin On 6/5/2020 11:03 AM, Martin wrote: On 2020-06-03 13:39, Mark Pearson wrote: I'm the linux technical lead at Lenovo for the PC team and I'd *love* to improve the Debian experience on Lenovo platforms. Very welcome! Just to add some praise here: I'm using X220 at home and X220 at

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Mark Pearson
Hi Marc On 6/5/2020 9:51 AM, Marc Haber wrote: On Fri, Jun 05, 2020 at 09:13:39AM -0400, Mark Pearson wrote: On 6/5/2020 5:03 AM, Pirate Praveen wrote: While we're asking for rainbow colored unicorns here, I'd love the Lenovo support organiation to be a little less bitchy when one admits

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Mark Pearson
Hi Paul On 6/5/2020 9:28 AM, Paul Wise wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:20 PM Mark Pearson wrote: I haven't so far got as far as thinking about the backporting stage so I probably need more education there. My goal so far has been to get fixes from upstream into sid so that Debian users can

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Martin
On 2020-06-03 13:39, Mark Pearson wrote: > I'm the linux technical lead at Lenovo for the PC team and I'd *love* to > improve the Debian experience on Lenovo platforms. Very welcome! Just to add some praise here: I'm using X220 at home and X220 at work, one with Debian testing, one with Debian

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Pirate Praveen
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 9:13 am, Mark Pearson wrote: Hi Pirate On 6/5/2020 5:03 AM, Pirate Praveen wrote: Hi Mark, I also use a Thinkpad (X240) with Debian unstable, it mostly work except for some issues with touchpad and suspend (touchpad stops working after resuming from

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, Jun 05, 2020 at 09:13:39AM -0400, Mark Pearson wrote: > On 6/5/2020 5:03 AM, Pirate Praveen wrote: > > I also use a Thinkpad (X240) with Debian unstable, it mostly work except > > for some issues with touchpad and suspend (touchpad stops working after > > resuming from suspend, but I work

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:20 PM Mark Pearson wrote: > I haven't so far got as far as thinking about the backporting stage so I > probably need more education there. My goal so far has been to get fixes > from upstream into sid so that Debian users can pick them up from there. It sounds like you

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Mark Pearson
Hi Pirate On 6/5/2020 5:03 AM, Pirate Praveen wrote: Hi Mark, I also use a Thinkpad (X240) with Debian unstable, it mostly work except for some issues with touchpad and suspend (touchpad stops working after resuming from suspend, but I work around it using an external mouse). OK -

Re: Debian hardware support and enablement for newer devices (was ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux)

2020-06-05 Thread Ansgar
On Thu, 2020-06-04 at 02:31 +, Paul Wise wrote: > > As a project, how can we improve the current entry level to new > > companies wanting support for their devices? > > Is the backports archive not sufficient for this? I see it doesn't > contain mesa backports at this point and probably other

RE: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Pirate Praveen
On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 1:39 pm, Mark Pearson wrote: From my point of view what I've been trying to do is to get more involved so I can contribute/backport fixes directly. I get good insight into what issues impact our platforms and when fixes land upstream. It seems the best way to make

Re: Re: FW: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Hideki Yamane
Hi, Thank you for your mail. In short term, Lenovo cannot provide Debian pre-installed laptops since there are some blockers for it. But they want to give better experience with Linux for their laptop users, including Debian. So, we can continue to talk with them, will try to find the root