Re: Are users of Debian software members of the Debian community?

2022-09-15 Thread Nilesh Patra
On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 06:17:02PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > To put it in the most brief terms, I come to that conclusion based on what > many people are telling me: Debian maintainers cannot fix bugs in software > because they are just volunteers. That statement is incorrect. People _can_

Fwd: Are users of Debian software members of the Debian community?

2022-09-15 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/15/22 8:33 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: > Chuck Zmudzinski writes: > >> To put it in the most brief terms, I come to that conclusion based on >> what many people are telling me: Debian maintainers cannot fix bugs in >> software because they are just volunteers. That explains why I almost >>

Re: Are users of Debian software members of the Debian community?

2022-09-15 Thread Russ Allbery
Chuck Zmudzinski writes: > To put it in the most brief terms, I come to that conclusion based on > what many people are telling me: Debian maintainers cannot fix bugs in > software because they are just volunteers. That explains why I almost > always am at least annoyed by one or two bugs when

Re: Are users of Debian software members of the Debian community?

2022-09-15 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/15/2022 11:59 AM, Gerardo Ballabio wrote: > Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > I have read much of the documentation online about how Debian understands > itself, but I have never heard the term "do-ocracy" before. > > As I understand, it is an informal term, as such I don't expect to > find it in

Re: Are users of Debian software members of the Debian community?

2022-09-15 Thread Gerardo Ballabio
Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > I have read much of the documentation online about how Debian understands itself, but I have never heard the term "do-ocracy" before. As I understand, it is an informal term, as such I don't expect to find it in formal documents. I read it as meaning "those who do the

Re: Are users of Debian software members of the Debian community?

2022-09-15 Thread Russ Allbery
Chuck Zmudzinski writes: > The theory behind my proposal is that there is a diversity of viewpoints > that stems from a diversity of roles within the project. If the voting > members are restricted only to the contributors who volunteer for the > role of developer, then the full diversity of the

Re: Are users of Debian software members of the Debian community?

2022-09-15 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/15/2022 7:26 AM, Clément Hermann wrote: > Hi, > > > Le 15/09/2022 à 12:37, Chuck Zmudzinski a écrit : > > > > > Obviously, my proposal would need to somehow define who are the users > > that should be given a formal vote for GRs, the DPL, etc. Maybe "true users > > of Debian" is the wrong

Re: Are users of Debian software members of the Debian community?

2022-09-15 Thread Clément Hermann
Hi, Le 15/09/2022 à 12:37, Chuck Zmudzinski a écrit : Obviously, my proposal would need to somehow define who are the users that should be given a formal vote for GRs, the DPL, etc. Maybe "true users of Debian" is the wrong phrase to define it, maybe the correct idea is expressed by

Re: Are users of Debian software members of the Debian community?

2022-09-15 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
> [Poster is cc'd by me because he is not subscribed to the debian-project list] > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 03:17:03PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > On 9/14/2022 12:22 PM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > People of debian-user :) > > > > > > This thread does seem to be degenerating slightly