Resignation from the Antiharassment Team

Effective immediately, I resign from the Antiharassment team in order to take on the role of Debian Project Leader. I think that there are a couple of conflicts that make holding both roles problematic. The biggest is time management. However, while the DPL and AH both have roles in dispute

Re: metaphors and feminism

I always assumed debian member was a term that included developer and maintainer. I'm all for Debian member replacing developer, but if so, I'd like a term that encompasses maintainer and developer.

Re: Binary compatibility policy for security updates and point releases

> "Jakob" == Jakob Leben writes: Jakob>Well, there are use cases that are not so simple. For Jakob> example: I might deploy Debian 9.1 on an embedded machine Jakob> sold to a client on the other side of the world. I have a Jakob> system for updating my own software which

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

We seem to have reached the end of the nominations period with no Debian developers stepping forward to nominate themselves. As has been discussed, the nomination in is not valid because the person nominating themselves is not a developer. In fairness, I'd recommend that the nominations period

Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions

While we're throwing around random wikipedia pages, I'd like to submit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning With respect, I don't think Daniel's comments are a constructive addition to the discussion. Whether or not daniel was treated reasonably, I think that he's reached a level of

Re: Censorship in Debian

Might I suggest that Miles and the rest of us have had as much of a meeting of minds as we can in the media of email and that this thread has drifted into noise? In my oopinion continuing would do more harm than good. --Sam

Re: Proposal: mediators

I think that rather than writing down a procedure like this it would be better to get some success cases of trying something along these lines. So, for example, I'd recommend that you and people who have similar views volunteer to be available as mediators. Once people use your services, and you

Re: Censorship in Debian

> "Scott" == Scott Kitterman writes: Scott> On Monday, January 07, 2019 07:06:28 PM Russ Allbery wrote: >> Miles Fidelman writes: > On the >> other hand, the IETF seems to do just fine - with a much larger > >> base of participants, and a lot more room for discussion and

Compassion For Those Worried Whether They are Welcome

> "Steve" == Steve McIntyre writes: Steve> For those trying to undermine it with statements like "I'm Steve> worried I'll be thrown out of Debian if I make a single Steve> mistake", please give it a rest already. These are basic Steve> principles on how we want all people to

Re: [Pkg-samba-maint] Bug#532856: Bug#532856: closed by Mathieu Parent (Closing " umask settings overridden by Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) clients")

> "Thomas" == Thomas Goirand writes: Thomas> On 07/02/2018 01:14 AM, Josip Rodin wrote: >> The Debian social contract doesn't go into that much detail, to >> explicitly require keeping bugs open because they exist in >> practice -- but common sense and decades of precedent

Re: Emeritus status, and email forwarding [and 1 more messages]

I think if we can find a way to manage it technically, allowing people to forward email would be a reasonable thing to do.

Summary: Concerns about the Technical Committee Process

s. In this message, Ian also outlined a list of factors that tend to be critical to TC decisions. [7] https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/23032.45880.193971.897...@chiark.greenend.org.uk [8] https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/23035.8784.982211.812...@chiark.greenend.org.uk Sam Hartman [9

Re: Let's Stop Getting Torn Apart by Disagreement: Concerns about the Technical Committee

> "Steve" == Steve Langasek writes: Steve> Hi Diane, Steve> On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 11:48:05AM -0700, Diane Trout wrote: >> I only just subscribed and only have read some of the discussion >> so this may be a bit off topic or already discussed. >> But

Re: Let's Stop Getting Torn Apart by Disagreement: Concerns about the Technical Committee

> "Ian" == Ian Jackson writes: Ian> Thanks for your mail. I have trimmed vigorously the parts I Ian> agreed with :-). Thanks again for your mail. I also trim parts where I think we understand each other and seem to be in general agreement. I want to

Re: Let's Stop Getting Torn Apart by Disagreement: Concerns about the Technical Committee

>>>>> "Ian" == Ian Jackson <ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes: Ian> Sam Hartman writes ("Re: Let's Stop Getting Torn Apart by Ian> Disagreement: Concerns about the Technical Committee"): >> I am discussing how we handle

Re: Appropriate escalation (or non-escalation) re rude emails

>>>>> "Don" == Don Armstrong <d...@debian.org> writes: Don> On Mon, 30 Oct 2017, Sam Hartman wrote: >> 3) Similar to 2. I don't think you can take off any hats you do >> have when sending such mails. If you have a role in our accou

Re: Let's Stop Getting Torn Apart by Disagreement: Concerns about the Technical Committee

> "Russ" == Russ Allbery writes: Russ> Martin Steigerwald writes: >> Russ Allbery - 28.10.17, 16:13: >>> There wasn't *anything* "left out" of that discussion. >> In my opinion this is a pretty bold statement. >> If everyone has

Re: Appropriate escalation (or non-escalation) re rude emails

> "Chris" == Chris Lamb writes: Chris> However, I do not believe one needs standing to do so and Chris> would highly encourage people to call out behaviour they feel Chris> is unacceptable, whoever they are or whatever flags they have Chris> in the Debian

Re: Bitcoin donations

> "Ben" == Ben Hutchings writes: >> And why would you refuse a way to submit donations that's >> convenient for some donors? Ben> [...] Ben> Mozilla tried it and the result was a net negative: Ben>

Let's Stop Getting Torn Apart by Disagreement: Concerns about the Technical Committee

As a member of the technical committee, I've grown increasingly alarmed as I think about the impact of the issues that come to us. Yes, we're giving answers. However, I think we are doing a lot of harm to the members of our community in the process, and I would like to explore whether we can do

Re: vmdebootstrap sprint report

> "Norbert" == Norbert Preining writes: >> only. It's scary to think that its intention is to also replace a >> tool like bootstrap-vz that has been used for years, is currently >> maintained and is pretty stable. Specially when not even >> mentioning this

Re: vmdebootstrap sprint report

Long term, how does this project relate to live-build. Is live-build going away, or are there different use cases where you'd want to use one vs the other? --Sam

Re: "Do you want to mount the drive, 'cancel' or 'allow'?"

If someone is interested in working on some documentation, I found the pklocalauthority man page plus looking at the action files in /usr/share/polkit-1 helpful. the pklocalauthorityman page does actually have examples and I believe combining that plus the action names from the action files

Re: What it means to be Debian

Bas == Bas Wijnen wij...@debian.org writes: Bas The above has nothing to do with beliefs. Beliefs are about Bas people who believe that using non-free services is better for Bas some ethical reason. They will say that even if a free Bas alternative would be available, the

What it means to be Debian

Dominik == Dominik George n...@naturalnet.de writes: Dominik b) BELIEF = Dominik If any Debian contributor BELIEVES that the use of Google, Dominik and the like, is a good thing, then the illness lies in the Dominik divergence between their contribution and their

Re: What it means to be Debian

Zlatan == Zlatan Todoric zla...@riseup.net writes: Zlatan On the other hand - I do believe that Debian contributors Zlatan should uphold Social Contract and DFSG as much as possible Zlatan because if we don't push it forward and believe in it, then Zlatan no one else will. I

Re: Survey on Bug Tracking Tools

Dominik == Dominik George n...@naturalnet.de writes: Dominik On 08.06.2015 20:46, Florian Weimer wrote: Google services are quite popular among the FLOSS crowd at large. You might not see many Gmail posters on Debian mailing lists, but this is increasingly an anomaly.

Re: Why are in-person meetings required for the debian keyring?

Nikolaus == Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org writes: Nikolaus However, it seems to me that meeting someone in person Nikolaus isn't actually verifying the relevant identity here. My Nikolaus trust in a Debian developer is not based on him holding a Nikolaus particular legal name,

Re: About language specific package management tools

One huge advantage of teaching our package management tools to understand alternate package technologies and convert on the fly is that we can use the mirror networks of the language-specific packages. Unfortunately, we're fairly picky about licensing issues and legal distributability of packages.

Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the root

Russ == Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: Russ There's another alternative to using the CTTE, and my Russ understanding is that this was generally the method used prior Russ to the existence of the CTTE, but I'm not sure it's really any Russ better. Russ There are

major Changes to the TC?

Tollef == Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no writes: Tollef As for Zack's point about this process being underway Tollef already: yes, that's the point. If we want to change things Tollef about the TC, let's put out a comprehensive proposal instead Tollef of changing one thing now

Re: Interpreting the init system GR results

Russ == Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: Russ I have a different perspective. Russ I think we just had a GR in which the Debian developer Russ community said that we, as a community, would like to work Russ through all of the issues around init systems together, as a

Systemd Discussions--The Good Parts

I've tried to slow down my rate of posting both because I've said what it was useful for me to say and because after the most recent IETF meeting I've been taking a vacation in Hawaii, meditating floating in the ocean and living in the moment laughing with joy as the salt spray soaks my body.

debian-boston-soc

Apologies for the debian-boston-soc mailing list going away. I changed infrastructure a couple of years ago and it made it a bit more difficult to host mailing lists. I'd be happy if someone else wanted to run a Debian Boston mailing list, and I'd be willing to make the effort to bring the list

Time for compassion and the Init GR

Early morning, Wednesday, November 19, the results of the GR on init system coupling will be announced. No result will make everyone happy. In fact, that morning, some of our developers, users and contributors will be really unhappy. I would be dishonest if I said I didn't hope to be happy and

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

I'd be happy to sponsor a resolution that simply adopted the COC as a position statement of the day and asked the appropriate parties to take that as the project's current position. I think the DPL and listmasters can figure out where on the website to put it, and can figure out how to evolve it.

Re: Who uses @packages.d.o mail?

The bts script uses the packages.debian.org for reassign requests. In general, I've found that it is incredibly useful to have addresses that reach the maintainers of a package without having to look that up in a database when you're dealing with cross-package issues generated by humans. For

Re: Mailing list behaviour was: Candidate questions/musings

Anand == Anand Kumria [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anand I, personally, suspect that the unfriendliness of Debian is Anand behind a lot of requests for smaller mailing lists seen by Anand listmaster these days. A lot of people don't bother to use Anand the main mailing lists anymore

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