Re: Appropriate escalation (or non-escalation) re rude emails

2017-11-02 Thread Ian Jackson
Sam Hartman writes ("Re: Appropriate escalation (or non-escalation) re rude emails"): > It seems like you could act as an individual listmaster who has not > reviewed things with the rest of the team. "It's my opinion as an > individual listmaster that you are

Re: Appropriate escalation (or non-escalation) re rude emails

2017-11-01 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Don" == Don Armstrong writes: Don> On Mon, 30 Oct 2017, Sam Hartman wrote: >> 3) Similar to 2. I don't think you can take off any hats you do >> have when sending such mails. If you have a role in our account, >> antiharassment, conduct, listmaster, moderation, or other rel

Re: Appropriate escalation (or non-escalation) re rude emails

2017-10-30 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 30 Oct 2017, Sam Hartman wrote: > 3) Similar to 2. I don't think you can take off any hats you do have > when sending such mails. If you have a role in our account, > antiharassment, conduct, listmaster, moderation, or other related > processes, you can't really ever give that up when talki

Re: Appropriate escalation (or non-escalation) re rude emails

2017-10-30 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2017-10-30T17:01:43-0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > I don't think you can take off any hats you do have when sending such > mails. If you have a role in our account, antiharassment, conduct, > listmaster, moderation, or other related processes, you can't really > ever give that up when talking to pe

Re: Appropriate escalation (or non-escalation) re rude emails

2017-10-30 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Chris" == Chris Lamb writes: Chris> However, I do not believe one needs standing to do so and Chris> would highly encourage people to call out behaviour they feel Chris> is unacceptable, whoever they are or whatever flags they have Chris> in the Debian LDAP server. Ch

Re: Appropriate escalation (or non-escalation) re rude emails

2017-10-26 Thread Laura Arjona Reina
El 25 de octubre de 2017 22:52:43 CEST, Ian Jackson escribió: >In the last week or so I have sent two mails to Debian contributors >saying to them that I felt their message was rude or otherwise had >inappropriate elements. > >Normally when I do this I get a reply saying "sorry, that's not what I

Re: Appropriate escalation (or non-escalation) re rude emails

2017-10-25 Thread Chris Lamb
Hi Martín, > In situations like those Ian has described, I think DAM and > anti-harrassment should at least be informed. I didn't mean to imply that one should do one or the other; clearly, some kind of judgement call is required and I was only attempting to lower the bar in milder cases where c

Re: Appropriate escalation (or non-escalation) re rude emails

2017-10-25 Thread Martín Ferrari
On 25/10/17 18:36, Chris Lamb wrote: > However, I do not believe one needs standing to do so and would highly > encourage people to call out behaviour they feel is unacceptable, whoever > they are or whatever flags they have in the Debian LDAP server. > > Indeed, this is probably more effective a

Re: Appropriate escalation (or non-escalation) re rude emails

2017-10-25 Thread Chris Lamb
Hi Ian, > In the last week or so I have sent two mails to Debian contributors > saying to them that I felt their message was rude or otherwise had > inappropriate elements. Since becoming DPL I have sent a number of these with varying degrees of "success". However, I do not believe one needs sta

Appropriate escalation (or non-escalation) re rude emails

2017-10-25 Thread Ian Jackson
In the last week or so I have sent two mails to Debian contributors saying to them that I felt their message was rude or otherwise had inappropriate elements. Normally when I do this I get a reply saying "sorry, that's not what I meant" or "you are right and I was angry, I have written to XYZ to c