Re: Debating difficult development issues in essay form

2013-06-12 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 12:50:56PM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote: Technical hint: subpages syntax in Moin can be quite frustrating, especially for those who do not often edit Moin pages. It might be useful to have some sample (dangling) links for subpages pointing to alternative positions

Re: Debating difficult development issues in essay form

2013-06-12 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 04:03:59PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Sorry for the delay. I've now finished doing that: JessieReleaseProcess is now a subpage of Debate, and AlwaysReleasableTesting a subpage of JessieReleaseProcess, as recommended in /Debate. I've fixed all the links I've found,

Re: Debating difficult development issues in essay form

2013-05-12 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 11:19:08AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Question: there are various overlaps from this proposal and DEPs ( http://dep.debian.net/ ). Not only in some of the explicit goals you state (e.g. documenting the state of discussions), but also in the fact that other FOSS

Re: Debating difficult development issues in essay form

2013-05-12 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 12:06:57PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: I really like this idea. The only problem I have is: How to know in advance whether a debate might concern a difficult development issue or not. I don't think there's any need to define criteria for when writing essays are

Re: Debating difficult development issues in essay form

2013-05-10 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 08:45:08PM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote: The executive summary: We'd like to see more thoughtful debates of important Debian development issues, and have created http://wiki.debian.org/Debate as a way to encourage them. Dear Lars and Russ, thanks for this initiative. I

Re: Debating difficult development issues in essay form

2013-05-10 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi, On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 08:45:08PM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote: We think discussions on Debian development mailing lists sometimes suffer from repetition of facts, opinions, and arguments. During a long discussion of a controversial topic, it is hard for anyone to keep track of what has

Re: Debating difficult development issues in essay form

2013-05-10 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
Op donderdag 9 mei 2013 23:40:45 schreef Wouter Verhelst: I do agree that sometimes, mailinglists aren't the best possible medium to hold a discussion. However, I'm not convinced that your proposal is the best way to fix that. I think that with all its flaws, mailinglists (and/or usenet) are

Re: Debating difficult development issues in essay form

2013-05-09 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 20:45 +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote: This e-mail is jointly from Lars Wirzenius and Russ Allbery. The executive summary: We'd like to see more thoughtful debates of important Debian development issues, and have created http://wiki.debian.org/Debate as a way to encourage

Re: Debating difficult development issues in essay form

2013-05-09 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi, On 09-05-13 21:45, Lars Wirzenius wrote: We think discussions on Debian development mailing lists sometimes suffer from repetition of facts, opinions, and arguments. During a long discussion of a controversial topic, it is hard for anyone to keep track of what has been said, and so

Re: Debating difficult development issues in essay form

2013-05-09 Thread Russ Allbery
Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: This is probably true. However, I'm not convinced your proposal solves more problems than it introduces: - First, I find it extremely difficult to follow a discussion on a wiki page. Yes, there is a diff feature in most wikis (including ours), but

Re: Debating difficult development issues in essay form

2013-05-09 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 5:40 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: - First, I find it extremely difficult to follow a discussion on a wiki page. Yes, there is a diff feature in most wikis (including ours), but that requires you to remember when you last read the position on the wiki page in