Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-16 Thread Ian Jackson
Paul Wise writes ("Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests"): > Perhaps what we need is a a culture of awareness of our own personal > potential conflicts of interest and guidelines for disclosure (where > relevant) and examples of conduct that is not appropriate. Ye

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-16 Thread Ian Jackson
Tollef Fog Heen writes ("Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests"): Ian Jackson : > > From Debian's point of view: I think that anyone who takes prolonged > > employment with an organisation which takes an active interest in > > their Debian work, to the extent o

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-15 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > From time to time (usually during flamewars) the issue of potential conflicts > of interests sometimes comes up in various places in our around our community. Today while moderating screenshots.d.n I found what I consider to be a conflict

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-15 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Ian Jackson > Tollef Fog Heen writes ("Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests"): > > Indeed. I also think there's a hang-up about financial conflicts of > > interest in the discussion, but for at least me (and I suspect others), > > money is a pretty we

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-15 Thread Ian Jackson
Tollef Fog Heen writes ("Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests"): > Indeed. I also think there's a hang-up about financial conflicts of > interest in the discussion, but for at least me (and I suspect others), > money is a pretty weak motivator. I generally ha

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-14 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 08:08:09AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > Indeed. I also think there's a hang-up about financial conflicts of > interest in the discussion, but for at least me (and I suspect others), > money is a pretty weak motivator. I generally have enough that it's > something I

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-14 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Didier 'OdyX' Raboud > Assuming a hypothetical Debian contributor with financial interests in > a hotel business, part-time software engineer and affiliated to a > political party: not all three connections matter in all Debian work, > or discussions. The first might matter though iff people

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-12 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On May 11 2017, Russ Allbery wrote: > Nikolaus Rath writes: >> On May 10 2017, Russ Allbery wrote: > >>> and no conclusions should ever be drawn from it? > >> I don't think anyone has said that. > > Quoting from the originally proposed wiki

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes ("Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests"): > That said, I still think that there are situations in which declaring one's > conflicts of interest _does_ matter, but I do expect the affected individual > to > either explcitly retra

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:10:39PM +0200, Philip Hands wrote: > Also, I suspect that anyone that might be tempted to misbehave as a > result of CoI will not have filled in their entry anyway, which makes me > wonder what useful purpose this could serve beyond a virtue signalling > opportunity. I

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-12 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mardi, 9 mai 2017, 09.16:21 h CEST Jonathan Dowland a écrit : > However in the interests of transparency I feel that a voluntary, opt-in > "Register of Interests" is a good idea for the project. I feel that such a > list (populated) would demonstrate the transparency and openness that are >

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-11 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:10:39PM +0200, Philip Hands a écrit : > > Also, I suspect that anyone that might be tempted to misbehave as a > result of CoI will not have filled in their entry anyway, which makes me > wonder what useful purpose this could serve beyond a virtue signalling >

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-11 Thread Philip Hands
Russ Allbery writes: > Nikolaus Rath writes: >> On May 10 2017, Russ Allbery wrote: > >>> and no conclusions should ever be drawn from it? > >> I don't think anyone has said that. > > Quoting from the originally proposed wiki page: > > | The

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Nikolaus Rath writes: > On May 10 2017, Russ Allbery wrote: >> and no conclusions should ever be drawn from it? > I don't think anyone has said that. Quoting from the originally proposed wiki page: | The following people have added themselves to this list.

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-11 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On May 10 2017, Russ Allbery wrote: > "Dr. Bas Wijnen" writes: >> On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 11:51:23PM +, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >>> I think it's a horrible idea. One of the major draws of Debian is that >>> we are all here for our own reasons. I don't

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-11 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 01:05:09PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: >Jonathan Dowland writes ("Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests"): >> >> I respect that, but I hope that those who are happy to add >> themselves to the list as it stands are not dissuaded fr

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-11 Thread Ian Jackson
Jonathan Dowland writes ("Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests"): > I'm not sure how to word it but I felt that it was appropriate to > disclose that I work for Red Hat (Even though I do not work on RHEL > or Fedora), since Red Hat produces something "simil

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-10 Thread Russ Allbery
"Dr. Bas Wijnen" writes: > On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 11:51:23PM +, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> I think it's a horrible idea. One of the major draws of Debian is that >> we are all here for our own reasons. I don't judge your motivations >> and you don't judge nine. > It's

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 11:55:33AM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > Participation in Debian is voluntary, so saying information disclosure is > voluntary doesn't really mean anything. Evidently it does mean something, since here we are discussing it. > I object to the existence of such a

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-10 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 10 May 2017, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 09:43:31 AM Julien Cristau wrote: > > On 05/10/2017 01:51 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > If this became a requirement, I'd have to terminate my relationship with > > > Debian. These are frankly none of anyone's business. >

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-10 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 09:43:31 AM Julien Cristau wrote: > On 05/10/2017 01:51 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > If this became a requirement, I'd have to terminate my relationship with > > Debian. These are frankly none of anyone's business. > Sounds like you missed the "voluntary, opt-in"

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 01:09:28PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > I think this is a good idea. Thanks! > It would be a good idea to make an annex, giving a list of kinds of > "interest" that do not need to be mentioned; and ones that should be > mentioned. That sounds fine to me. > Things that

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-10 Thread Dr. Bas Wijnen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 11:51:23PM +, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On May 9, 2017 8:09:28 AM EDT, Ian Jackson > wrote: > >Jonathan Dowland wrote: > >> However in the interests of transparency I

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-10 Thread Julien Cristau
On 05/10/2017 01:51 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > If this became a requirement, I'd have to terminate my relationship with > Debian. These are frankly none of anyone's business. > Sounds like you missed the "voluntary, opt-in" part? Cheers, Julien

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-09 Thread Scott Kitterman
On May 9, 2017 8:09:28 AM EDT, Ian Jackson wrote: >Jonathan Dowland wrote: >> However in the interests of transparency I feel that a voluntary, >> opt-in "Register of Interests" is a good idea for the project. I feel >> that such a list

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-09 Thread Luca Filipozzi
On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 01:09:28PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > However in the interests of transparency I feel that a voluntary, > > opt-in "Register of Interests" is a good idea for the project. I feel > > that such a list (populated) would

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Jonathan Dowland wrote: > However in the interests of transparency I feel that a voluntary, > opt-in "Register of Interests" is a good idea for the project. I feel > that such a list (populated) would demonstrate the transparency and > openness that are part of our project's

Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-09 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 09:16:21AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > To that end I sat down just now to create it. Unfortunately wiki.d.o appears > to have died whilst I was doing so. Here's the wiki page : https://wiki.debian.org/RegisterOfInterests

Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-09 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi all, >From time to time (usually during flamewars) the issue of potential conflicts of interests sometimes comes up in various places in our around our community. I wish to first state that I have never felt that any Debian contributor that I know has ever acted against the best interests of