Re: Inbound trademark policy, round 3

2013-01-20 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 04:14:11PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: I volunteered to Stefano to try to summarise and synthesise the discussion about our inbound trademark licence policy. Thanks Ian, it's much appreciated and very useful! Rought consensus: 1. DFSG principles should apply. 2. No

Re: Inbound trademark policy, round 3

2013-01-10 Thread Ian Jackson
Uoti Urpala writes (Re: Inbound trademark policy, round 3): Ian Jackson wrote: 1. DFSG principles should apply. IMO taking this as a starting point is completely wrong. DFSG guarantees that incompetent and malicious people may freely modify the software. You made this point at length

Re: Inbound trademark policy, round 3

2013-01-10 Thread Uoti Urpala
Ian Jackson wrote: Uoti Urpala writes (Re: Inbound trademark policy, round 3): Ian Jackson wrote: 1. DFSG principles should apply. IMO taking this as a starting point is completely wrong. DFSG guarantees that incompetent and malicious people may freely modify the software. You

Re: Inbound trademark policy, round 3

2013-01-09 Thread Uoti Urpala
Ian Jackson wrote: 1. DFSG principles should apply. IMO taking this as a starting point is completely wrong. DFSG guarantees that incompetent and malicious people may freely modify the software. For trademarks to have any meaning at all, distributing those modified versions under the original

Re: Inbound trademark policy, round 3

2013-01-09 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 09 Jan 2013, Uoti Urpala wrote: Ian Jackson wrote: 1. DFSG principles should apply. IMO taking this as a starting point is completely wrong. DFSG guarantees that incompetent and malicious people may freely modify the software. For trademarks to have any meaning at all,

Re: Inbound trademark policy, round 3

2013-01-09 Thread Russ Allbery
Uoti Urpala uoti.urp...@pp1.inet.fi writes: DFSG allow a rename requirement; this means any trademark policy whatsoever cannot violate DFSG as long as it allows distributing unmodified sources and binaries, as you can always rename and then ignore the trademark policy. DFSG #4 is narrower

Re: Inbound trademark policy, round 3

2013-01-09 Thread Uoti Urpala
Russ Allbery wrote: Uoti Urpala uoti.urp...@pp1.inet.fi writes: DFSG allow a rename requirement; this means any trademark policy whatsoever cannot violate DFSG as long as it allows distributing unmodified sources and binaries, as you can always rename and then ignore the trademark policy.

Re: Inbound trademark policy, round 3

2013-01-09 Thread Russ Allbery
Uoti Urpala uoti.urp...@pp1.inet.fi writes: Russ Allbery wrote: DFSG #4 is narrower than the possible actions that could be required by a trademark policy, at least in the way that we've normally interpreted it, since we've not interpreted it as allowing the renaming to affect functional

Inbound trademark policy, round 3

2013-01-08 Thread Ian Jackson
I volunteered to Stefano to try to summarise and synthesise the discussion about our inbound trademark licence policy. Here is the previous discussion head article: https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2012/02/msg00073.html In this message I'm going mostly to write things from the point of