Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-04-02 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Micah Anderson mi...@riseup.net writes: Clint Adams sch...@debian.org writes: [Adding and M-F-T-ing -project] [...] Were you there? Were Debian funds spend on this endeavor? What happened there? Most importantly, why is it all so secretive? Did I miss a response to these questions? I'm

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-31 Thread Micah Anderson
Clint Adams sch...@debian.org writes: [Adding and M-F-T-ing -project] On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 10:04:58AM +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: I want to point out that Luk's mail was not in any way discussed in the release team. I think it is horrible. I welcome everyone to critize the

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-15 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 06:14:45PM +, Clint Adams wrote: We are in an election period and I would like for the project to elect a DPL who not only does not support a certain level of non-transparency, but is actively intolerant of it. I do not know whether or not we have any potential

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-15 Thread Clint Adams
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 03:09:43PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: To that end, it would be nice to have a specific question posed on -vote: that venue is IMHO more appropriate to answer your question than -project. (Or just prod the candidates to follow-up there if the above is already the

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-15 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Mon Mar 15 05:16, Clint Adams wrote: On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 09:23:23PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/03/msg00011.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2009/05/msg00080.html So it wasn't that secret after all. (Note that all

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-15 Thread Clint Adams
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 08:18:54PM +, Matthew Johnson wrote: I'm confused as to why you are expecting to be involved in or be informed about a meeting of a team you are not a part of? I'm confused as to why multiple DDs don't seem to understand what transparency means. -- To

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-15 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010, Matthew Johnson wrote: I'm confused as to why you are expecting to be involved in or be informed about a meeting of a team you are not a part of? If a team is meeting, the meeting and agenda should be announced, and the decisions and discussions which occur in the meeting

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-15 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 02:24:51PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2010, Matthew Johnson wrote: I'm confused as to why you are expecting to be involved in or be informed about a meeting of a team you are not a part of? If a team is meeting, the meeting and agenda should be

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 06:14:45PM +, Clint Adams wrote: On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 04:09:34PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: That meeting took place in May of last year. What's the point of discussing it almost 9 months later? What exactly triggered your blog post? We are in an election period

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-14 Thread Clint Adams
[Adding and M-F-T-ing -project] On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 10:04:58AM +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: I want to point out that Luk's mail was not in any way discussed in the release team. I think it is horrible. I welcome everyone to critize the release team. I would prefer help, of

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-14 Thread Luk Claes
Clint Adams wrote: [Adding and M-F-T-ing -project] On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 10:04:58AM +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: I want to point out that Luk's mail was not in any way discussed in the release team. I think it is horrible. I welcome everyone to critize the release team. I would

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-14 Thread Frans Pop
On Sunday 14 March 2010, Clint Adams wrote: Okay, so when there is a mysterious release team meeting in Cambridge, and there is no discussion or planning of it on debian-release [...] Clint, Although to some level I agree with you [1], I wonder if you could explain one thing. That meeting

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-14 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Clint Adams sch...@debian.org writes: Okay, so when there is a mysterious release team meeting in Cambridge, and there is no discussion or planning of it on debian-release, or #debian-release, or anywhere else public that I can see [...] Were you there? No. Were Debian funds spend on this

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-14 Thread Clint Adams
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 04:09:34PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: Although to some level I agree with you [1], I wonder if you could explain one thing. That meeting took place in May of last year. What's the point of discussing it almost 9 months later? What exactly triggered your blog post? We

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-14 Thread Florian Weimer
* Clint Adams: Okay, so when there is a mysterious release team meeting in Cambridge, and there is no discussion or planning of it on debian-release, or #debian-release, or anywhere else public that I can see, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/03/msg00011.html

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-14 Thread Russ Allbery
Luk Claes l...@debian.org writes: The whole thing about secrecy is exagerated AFAICS as there just is not much to tell. The reason these things mostly remain private is that there is not much to tell and making things public without the consent of everyone involved is not done. A general

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-14 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
* Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl [2010-03-14 16:09:34 CET]: [1] I think release management for (old)stable is being handled quite well ATM. While this might be true and valid for stable, I am not too convinced that the last point release of oldstable from April 8th of last year is too much for

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-14 Thread Frans Pop
On Sunday 14 March 2010, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: * Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl [2010-03-14 16:09:34 CET]: [1] I think release management for (old)stable is being handled quite well ATM. While this might be true and valid for stable, I am not too convinced that the last point release of

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-14 Thread Clint Adams
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 09:23:23PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/03/msg00011.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2009/05/msg00080.html So it wasn't that secret after all. (Note that all this happened last year, including Luk's