On Sb, 15 iun 13, 21:38:24, Manu Sporny wrote:
Yes, we probably don't want to create a Mos Eisley in Debian. However,
knowing that you can go somewhere to hire Debian developers to fix
issues that you're having with the system would be very helpful for
companies (like ours and the ones we
Manu Sporny mspo...@digitalbazaar.com writes:
...
With respect to Debian-packaged software, if we address both issues,
the benefit is that more resources can be directed toward Free
Software development.
That is an assumption that I happen to think is completely unfounded.
IBM tested various
On Sun, 2013-06-16 at 09:47 +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
The idea that it's currently impossible to fund Free Software is
nonsense. See IBM, HP, Canonical, my customers, anyone that's ever
said to a DD (or anyone else for that matter): I'll buy you a beer if
you help me package this...
The
On Sun, 2013-06-16 at 13:25 +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
If you're seriously attempting to equate I'll buy you a beer if you
help me with corrupt bribery, then I suspect the net effect is
going to be that people stop reading the rest of your argument.
It's not serious, it's absurdism. A
* Manu Sporny:
As an aside, PaySwarm is currency agnostic. The commercial
implementation of it (Meritora) deals with USD today, has plans for Euro
(and a few other national currencies) within a year, and Bitcoin shortly
after that.
For the Euro, we already have the SEPA system, which is very
On 06/16/2013 04:47 AM, Philip Hands wrote:
Manu Sporny mspo...@digitalbazaar.com writes: ...
With respect to Debian-packaged software, if we address both
issues, the benefit is that more resources can be directed toward
Free Software development.
It is bound to direct money to highly
Le Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 12:25:26AM -0400, Joey Hess a écrit :
Charles Plessy wrote:
In the case of Debian, I share with others the concern of having the
packages
as a source of revenue
How about making fixed bugs a source of revenue?
I do not see how to fit this in the PaySwarm model
Hi,
On Samstag, 15. Juni 2013, Russ Allbery wrote:
There were some past experiments with this in Debian, and they caused a
lot of social controversy.
One of the problems with paying for work in the Debian context is that
we're a world-wide project that welcomes contributions from everyone
On Samstag, 15. Juni 2013, Nikolaus Rath wrote:
I agree. It would add a whole new dimension to NMU'ing, orphaning,
adopting, and salvaging packages with a large user base. For example,
currently most people would probably happily accept co-maintainers even
if they're confident that they could
On 15-06-13 06:07, Russ Allbery wrote:
I think the tension gets much worse if
the project is explicitly deciding to pay some people and not others.
While that is true, I do not believe that the proposed scheme results in
the project (...) deciding to pay. If done right, this could simply be
a
On 14-06-13 23:24, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
Right, but this leads to one of two things:
- No money is shared with dependencies (leading to people flocking to
awesomewm, gnome, kde, chrome, wine, apache2, etc)
- Money is shared with dependencies (leading to people flocking to
* Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org, 2013-06-15, 11:48:
What happens with the money should be decided by the maintainers of the
package. Before you'll see flocking, there will have been such a
decision already (otherwise there's no money and thus no flocking).
Given that, I can see only a few
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 11:48:27AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On 14-06-13 23:24, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
Right, but this leads to one of two things:
- No money is shared with dependencies (leading to people flocking to
awesomewm, gnome, kde, chrome, wine, apache2, etc)
-
On 06/14/2013 02:54 PM, Scott Howard wrote:
As a member of the bitcoin team in debian, I also see how easy it
could be in the future to semi-anonymously receive payment from and
to anywhere in the world for such work, and that this may already be
going on already in Debian or other distros.
On 06/14/2013 05:24 PM, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 05:14:27PM -0400, Manu Sporny wrote:
I agree, which is why the payment details live completely outside
the Debian systems. The only thing you'd need to initiate payment
is an e-mail address, or a PaySwarm financial account
On 06/14/2013 06:50 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Anyone can locate a particular Debian contributor and wire them 15
Bitcoin. No need for Debian to support that.
I don't think you mean 'anyone'. I think you mean 'a highly skilled
programmer that understands how open source software is built and
On 06/14/2013 07:29 PM, David Kalnischkies wrote:
I disagree. Some packages make _a lot_ of work and some people
spend thousands of hours to make Debian an excellent distribution
and the package in particular useful and maintainable. This is in
many cases not less work than being upstream,
On 06/14/2013 09:45 PM, Charles Plessy wrote:
thanks for your work on web payments. I hope that they will be a
lead contribution to the development of Free works.
And thanks to you for taking part in the conversation and helping us
build something that will hopefully lead to more resources
On 06/15/2013 02:18 AM, Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 12:25:26AM -0400, Joey Hess a écrit :
Charles Plessy wrote:
In the case of Debian, I share with others the concern of having
the packages as a source of revenue
How about making fixed bugs a source of revenue?
I do
On Thu, 2013-06-13 at 23:03 -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
We have never needed it
Such a mechanism would never be needed if the only people Debian should
serve are technical users who are able to involve themselves in the
project when they need it.
Excluding people with money is just another way of
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 11:03:36PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
[..]
work. That's all fine. We have a mechanism in place to help people
donate money to Debian as a whole. That's also fine. But I'd very much
rather keep both things separate — Not instate mechanisms in Debian to
get funds to
Hi,
On 14.06.2013 15:52, David Kalnischkies wrote:
She/he is doing a lot of work for sure, but I appreciate the software, not
that it is packaged with this. That I can get this software easily while
using Debian is something the whole project is responsible for, not just
the person who
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Manu Sporny mspo...@digitalbazaar.com wrote:
I'd like to add a feature to apt that enables people to donate money or
crowdfund a particular project or developer. The inspiration for the
project comes from [1]Gittip.
Another issue/can of worms: Someone started a
On 06/13/2013 10:33 PM, Paul Wise wrote:
We already have means of donating to Debian. Making that more
accessible is on the todo and probably your work could help out
here.
http://www.debian.org/donations
http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2013/05/msg00025.html
Great, would love to help
On 06/14/2013 05:36 AM, Martin Owens wrote:
On Thu, 2013-06-13 at 23:03 -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
We have never needed it
Such a mechanism would never be needed if the only people Debian
should serve are technical users who are able to involve themselves
in the project when they need it.
On 06/14/2013 07:20 AM, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
In particular, I have concerns on how people *collect* this money.
In the case of a package maintainer, we don't require we know who
they are, nor their legal name, or even where the live. Just an
active, working email and good changes that we
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 05:14:27PM -0400, Manu Sporny wrote:
I agree, which is why the payment details live completely outside the
Debian systems. The only thing you'd need to initiate payment is an
e-mail address, or a PaySwarm financial account address, which looks
like this:
On 06/14/2013 09:52 AM, David Kalnischkies wrote:
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Manu Sporny
mspo...@digitalbazaar.com wrote:
A deeper discussion of the social concerns and solutions with
http://lists.debian.org/deity/2013/06/msg00054.html
I thought this was pretty shallow, but
Quoting Manu Sporny (2013-06-14 22:57:46)
On 06/14/2013 05:36 AM, Martin Owens wrote:
On Thu, 2013-06-13 at 23:03 -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
We have never needed it
Such a mechanism would never be needed if the only people Debian
should serve are technical users who are able to involve
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Arno Töll a...@debian.org wrote:
On 14.06.2013 15:52, David Kalnischkies wrote:
She/he is doing a lot of work for sure, but I appreciate the software, not
that it is packaged with this. That I can get this software easily while
using Debian is something the
Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes:
I am very concerned about motivations of Debian project volunteers
being distorted by money so I would suggest only allowing donations to
Debian as a whole or directly to individual upstream projects.
I agree. It would add a whole new dimension to NMU'ing,
Martin Owens docto...@gmail.com writes:
I feel much better about paying for work to be done than tipping, it
feels more right. Although it requires larger pools of money and a more
forthright approach deciding where this resource should be plowed in
order to curate the larger design. Debian
Charles Plessy wrote:
In the case of Debian, I share with others the concern of having the packages
as a source of revenue
How about making fixed bugs a source of revenue?
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On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 00:25 -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Charles Plessy wrote:
In the case of Debian, I share with others the concern of having the
packages
as a source of revenue
How about making fixed bugs a source of revenue?
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I'd like to add a feature to apt that enables people to donate money or
crowdfund a particular project or developer. The inspiration for the
project comes from [1]Gittip.
I've already contacted the APT project and they directed me here, as
they felt it needed to be discussed by the larger Debian
We already have means of donating to Debian. Making that more
accessible is on the todo and probably your work could help out here.
http://www.debian.org/donations
http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2013/05/msg00025.html
We have a mechanism for maintainers to point folks at upstream
donation
Paul Wise dijo [Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:33:58AM +0800]:
(...)
Tying donations to one payment processor doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
I am very concerned about motivations of Debian project volunteers
being distorted by money so I would suggest only allowing donations to
Debian as a
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