Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

2013-06-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Lars Wirzenius writes (Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)): I do, however, want to repeat my point that this kind of thing is likely to be quite divisive even outside one distro. Donations from end-users are highly likely to go mainly to highly

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

2013-06-19 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 09:55:11PM -0400, Manu Sporny wrote: This is a highly re-worked proposal for performing upstream donations and donations to the Debian project. Major changes include: * Debian developers are not allowed to receive any direct monetary contribution or change the

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

2013-06-19 Thread Venture Communism
: Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org To: Manu Sporny mspo...@digitalbazaar.com Cc: debian-project@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 11:46 PM Subject: Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations) Le Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 09:55:11PM -0400, Manu Sporny a écrit

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

2013-06-19 Thread Venture Communism
that? - Original Message - From: Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi To: debian-project@lists.debian.org Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 2:53 AM Subject: Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations) On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 09:55:11PM -0400, Manu Sporny wrote

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

2013-06-19 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 07:53:42AM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote: Donations from end-users are highly likely to go mainly to highly visible projects, such as Firefox/Iceweasel and LibreOffice. But doesn't this problem already exist with the status quo? Let's assume that Firefox, LibreOffice,

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

2013-06-19 Thread Venture Communism
that. - Original Message - From: Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org To: debian-project@lists.debian.org Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:26 AM Subject: Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations) On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 07:53:42AM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

2013-06-19 Thread Scott Howard
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 2:53 AM, Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi wrote: I do, however, want to repeat my point that this kind of thing is likely to be quite divisive even outside one distro. Donations from end-users are highly likely to go mainly to highly visible projects, such as

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

2013-06-19 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Scott Howard dijo [Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:01:27AM -0400]: The donate mechanism probably could be extended to increase donation awareness of important libraries/tools since apt knows what is really needed for each package even if end users may not. Maybe something can be done like: $ donate

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

2013-06-19 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:35:36PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Sorry, I cannot look at this donations proposal but as a deep failure waiting to happen. While I am warry, I don't think we should mock or block those wishing to build this system to help aid Debian. Cheers, Paul -- .''`.

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

2013-06-19 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 01:38:08PM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:35:36PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Sorry, I cannot look at this donations proposal but as a deep failure waiting to happen. While I am warry, I don't think we should mock or block those wishing to build

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

2013-06-19 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 01:38:08 PM Paul Tagliamonte wrote: On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:35:36PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Sorry, I cannot look at this donations proposal but as a deep failure waiting to happen. While I am warry, I don't think we should mock or block those wishing to

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

2013-06-19 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 01:45:49PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: Personally, economic incentives have very little to do with why I work on Debian. Fundamentally, if I was here for the money, Debian couldn't afford me. Ditto, that's not the issue here - this wouldn't be funding

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

2013-06-19 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2013, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: While I am warry, I don't think we should mock or block those wishing to build this system to help aid Debian. While I agree that we should not mock those, I absolutly do think we should block those Once motivation is destroyed, it's

Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

2013-06-18 Thread Manu Sporny
This is a highly re-worked proposal for performing upstream donations and donations to the Debian project. Major changes include: * Debian developers are not allowed to receive any direct monetary contribution or change the upstream DONATE file in any way. * The solution isn't specific to apt.

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

2013-06-18 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Manu Sporny wrote: * Debian developers are not allowed to receive any direct monetary contribution or change the upstream DONATE file in any way. There are definitely situations where not updating the DONATE file is a bad idea; when upstream is dead and the

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

2013-06-18 Thread Venture Communism
list - Original Message - From: Paul Wise p...@debian.org To: debian-project@lists.debian.org Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:28 PM Subject: Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations) On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Manu Sporny wrote

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

2013-06-18 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 09:55:11PM -0400, Manu Sporny a écrit : This is a highly re-worked proposal for performing upstream donations and donations to the Debian project. Major changes include: * Debian developers are not allowed to receive any direct monetary contribution or change the