At 2023-08-23T15:40:06+0100, Adam Sampson wrote:
> "Andrew M.A. Cater" writes:
> > where are we going to get our fortunes from - where's the canonical
> > source now that FreeBSD has gone?
>
> There is Shlomi Fish's version:
> https://github.com/shlomif/fortune-mod/
I've been mulling over whet
I have a proposal.
In writing the below, I realized that we may have reached the point of
diminishing returns, and perhaps we should be done with this discussion.
CONSENSUS IS NOT A REQUIREMENT HERE.
In general, if someone wants to maintain something in Debian, and the
ftp team does not object, a
On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 04:51:39PM -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote:
> I keep trying to make the point that if people would just quote the
> specific darned fortunes that they have a problem with, we could focus
> this discussion immensely.
> But no one has, as yet, in either of these threads as
[self-follow-up]
It occurred to me that I need to correct and clarify a couple of points.
I'll try to be brief about it, at least relative to my own mean email
length, if not the project's.
At 2023-08-21T16:51:42-0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote:
[...]
> When we went around the block on this issue
[It took me so long to write this that responses from Russ and Steve L.
have since come through. I find myself in concord with both messages.]
At 2023-08-21T19:02:27+, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 05:32:22PM +, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> > On 2023-08-21 20:16:22 +0300 (
Jeremy Stanley writes:
> Removing a package from the archive purely on the grounds that it
> contains objectionable text, if such is the reason for not distributing
> it, is making a value judgement of that text. The concerns that have
> been raised so far for objecting to the content of the pack
On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 07:02:27PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>
> OK. With respect to Branden, Sam, Rodrigo Sanchez and Wouter - this isn't
> *just* a free speech matter and Debian isn't particularly censoring content.
>
I don't view the proposed removal of fortunes-off as censorship. Rather
On 2023-08-21 11:43:04 -0700 (-0700), Steve Langasek wrote:
[...]
> Don't you think it's a bit hyperbolic to equate "not distributing
> a text in our archive" to "book burning"?
Removing a package from the archive purely on the grounds that it
contains objectionable text, if such is the reason for
Subject: Re: Questionable Package Present in Debian: fortune-mod
On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 05:32:22PM +, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> On 2023-08-21 20:16:22 +0300 (+0300), Dmitry Baryshkov wrote:
> [...]
> > According to Debian's CoC we use non-offensive ways to communicate
>
On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 05:32:22PM +, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> On 2023-08-21 20:16:22 +0300 (+0300), Dmitry Baryshkov wrote:
> [...]
> > According to Debian's CoC we use non-offensive ways to communicate
> > within the project, so that everybody is welcome to speak and
> > contribute. But we sho
On 2023-08-21 20:16:22 +0300 (+0300), Dmitry Baryshkov wrote:
[...]
> According to Debian's CoC we use non-offensive ways to communicate
> within the project, so that everybody is welcome to speak and
> contribute. But we should not censor software. If there is a
> misogynistic comment in GNU HURD
On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 at 00:52, Dominik George wrote:
>
> > So, let's at least be consistent.
>
> Totally agree with that.
>
> Debian is not a collection of harmful content, it is an operating system.
>
> But, unfortunately, there are too many people in the project who think, in
> the name of "free
Hi Wouter,
I think that you and I are actually in agreement.
On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 06:06:34PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 02:28:22PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 07:11:11PM +0200, Dominik George wrote:
> > > >The mission you have chose
On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 02:28:22PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 07:11:11PM +0200, Dominik George wrote:
> > >The mission you have chosen for yourself, then, is to identify all those
> > >things in the Debian distribution that are not constitutive of an
> > >operating s
On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 10:54:18AM +0200, Dominik George wrote:
> Hi Marvin,
>
> >This is simply and blatantly incorrect. Debian is a distribution.
>
> To some, that is the same.
>
> If you think describing Debian as an "operating system", then for a start,
> you should go and propoae to updat
Hi Marvin,
>This is simply and blatantly incorrect. Debian is a distribution.
To some, that is the same.
If you think describing Debian as an "operating system", then for a start, you
should go and propoae to update the banner on the front page of
https://debian.org/
-nik
* Dominik George [230818 17:52]:
> Debian is not ..., it is an operating system.
This is simply and blatantly incorrect. Debian is a distribution.
It includes an operating system and many, many application packages that
different people find useful or interesting. The vast majority of
packages
On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 02:35:18PM -0400, Paul R. Tagliamonte wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 2:29 PM Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > The reasons why the FTP masters might reject a package from the archive
> > are public [0]. Nowhere on the list is there an entry that says
> > "somebody doesn't li
On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 07:11:11PM +0200, Dominik George wrote:
> >The mission you have chosen for yourself, then, is to identify all those
> >things in the Debian distribution that are not constitutive of an
> >operating system.
>
> That is a major part of the work of a Debian Developer, and the
On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 2:29 PM Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> The reasons why the FTP masters might reject a package from the archive
> are public [0]. Nowhere on the list is there an entry that says
> "somebody doesn't like this package" or "it has stuff that might offend
> someone" as a valid rea
>The mission you have chosen for yourself, then, is to identify all those
>things in the Debian distribution that are not constitutive of an
>operating system.
That is a major part of the work of a Debian Developer, and the ftp-master team.
Packages are evaluated for eligibility to enter the dist
Le Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 07:46:51PM -0500, G. Branden Robinson a écrit :
>
> "Debian is not X, it's an operating system" is an old trope
Well, X is only one month old, and Debian is 30 years old, so the
comparison is not fair. This said, X contains many more fortunes than
Debian, and for many mor
Dominik George dijo [Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 11:43:03PM +0200]:
> > So, let's at least be consistent.
>
> Totally agree with that.
>
> Debian is not a collection of harmful content, it is an operating system.
>
> But, unfortunately, there are too many people in the project who think, in the
> name
[please direct replies to -project]
At 2023-08-18T14:39:00-0400, Thomas Ward wrote:
> This is no longer appropriate for Debian. Fortunes-off binary package
> has been removed: can we remove the data files, please.
>
> These were questioned by upstream as early as 1997. They contain
> ethnic and h
On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 05:27:55PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> Also, if quoting Mein Kampf or anything else from Hitler is problematic,
> then perhaps fortune-anarchism (source package blag-fortune) should also
> be considered for removal. It includes quotes from numerous individuals
> who h
> "Roberto" == Roberto C Sánchez writes:
Roberto> sources." I mean, if you're going to wave the code of
Roberto> conduct around (or Andy in the case of the initial report),
Roberto> then perhaps we ought to distinguish between what the code
Roberto> of conduct was very clearly
> So, let's at least be consistent.
Totally agree with that.
Debian is not a collection of harmful content, it is an operating system.
But, unfortunately, there are too many people in the project who think, in the
name of "free speech", protecting racists, nazists, and anarchists is more
impor
On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 02:39:00PM -0400, Thomas Ward wrote:
>
>This is not yet removed if I read the changelog from Debian.There are
>additional components in the source code which quote these that suggest it
>may be prudent for a complete deletion. Downstream in Ubuntu, this
>pa
On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 02:39:00PM -0400, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Hello.
>
> Debian Bug #1024501 [1]indicates that data files are present in the
> fortune-mod package which are against Debian policy:
>
>
> Dear Maintainer,
>
> *** Reporter, please consider answering these questions, where appropri
Hello.
Debian Bug #1024501 [1]indicates that data files are present in the
fortune-mod package which are against Debian policy:
Dear Maintainer,
*** Reporter, please consider answering these questions, where appropriate ***
* What led up to the situation?
As mentioned on Debian-project
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