Re: Request for official help

Le 03/05/2018 à 17:36, Ian Jackson a écrit : > MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes ("Re: Request for official help"): >> Yes I understand. Just keep in mind that the letter is not public, just >> for amazon staff. But well, I propose we try without explicit name and >> see

Re: Request for official help

MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes ("Re: Request for official help"): > Yes I understand. Just keep in mind that the letter is not public, just > for amazon staff. But well, I propose we try without explicit name and > see wether it is enough for Amazon. I was thinking we would pu

Re: Request for official help

Le 03/05/2018 à 13:40, Ian Jackson a écrit : > MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes ("Re: Request for official help"): >> I saw the topic in quite progress last weeks ago. When do you think I could >> get >> a signed letter, ideally mentioning explicitly Hypra? > &

Re: Request for official help

MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes ("Re: Request for official help"): > I saw the topic in quite progress last weeks ago. When do you think I could > get > a signed letter, ideally mentioning explicitly Hypra? I don't think it's likely that we would want to explicitly ment

Re: Request for official help

Hi, I saw the topic in quite progress last weeks ago. When do you think I could get a signed letter, ideally mentioning explicitly Hypra? Thanks for your support best regards, signature_jp_2 Logo Hypra JEAN-PHILIPPE MENGUAL DIRECTEUR TECHNIQUE ET QUALITÉ 102, rue des poissonniers, 75018, P

Re: Request for official help

MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes ("Re: Request for official help"): > Did I miss something about this topic? Any news? I'm sorry, I dropped this. Please do hassle me if you don't hear more in the next week. Ian.

Re: Request for official help

Hi, Did I miss something about this topic? Any news? Best regards, signature_jp_2 Logo Hypra JEAN-PHILIPPE MENGUAL DIRECTEUR TECHNIQUE ET QUALITÉ 102, rue des poissonniers, 75018, Paris Tel : +331 84 73 06 61 Mob : +336 76 34 93 37 jpmeng...@hypra.fr www.hypra.

Re : Re: Request for official help [and 1 more messages]

- Ian Jackson a écrit : > Chris Lamb writes ("Re: Request for official help [and 1 more messages]"): > > For some reason, I did not receive this. Thank you for following up. > ... > > I delegate to you :) > > Thanks. I will take care of it... Glad t

Re: Request for official help [and 1 more messages]

Hi Ian, > I did that on the 31st of July (quoted below). Admittedly leader@ was > only in the CC, not the To. I have remedied that in this mail. For some reason, I did not receive this. Thank you for following up. > > Chris, could you please either nonexclusively delegate this issue to > > me

Re: Request for official help

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:20 AM, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: > When could I give a signed letter under te form proposed here? Please send your proposal to the Debian Project Leader: Chris Lamb https://www.debian.org/devel/leader -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Re: Request for official help

On 27-Aug-2017, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: > Hi, I think this discussion doesn't need my involvement; please drop me from future Cc of this thread. -- \ “You can stand tall without standing on someone. You can be a | `\ victor without having victims.” —Harriet Woods, 1927–2007

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Hi, When could I give a signed letter under te form proposed here? Would it be possible for September? Regards Le 11/08/2017 à 07:51, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe a écrit : > > Hi, > > > Just to be sure I ded not miss any message: does this thread has a > follow-up after my reply? What would be the

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Hi, Just to be sure I ded not miss any message: does this thread has a follow-up after my reply? What would be the process to get a such doc with an official signatureN Thanks very much Best regards, Le 01/08/2017 à 19:36, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe a écrit : > Hi, > > Thanks, indeed it may hav

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Hi, Thanks, indeed it may have been missed by my reading or whatever. Excellent proposan Ian, thanks. I really think it can fix the situation and, anyway, I am good with testing with Amazon staff. How do you want to proceed? Do you have an usual lawyer? Should I see with a trusted organisation fo

Re: Request for official help

MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes: > Seems the Ian's mail was not posted on the list (I dont find it in my > inbox and in archives of the mailing list). Could someone forward me > it? It is in the mailing list archives https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/22911.8.678652.677...@chiark.greenend.or

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On Tue, Aug 01, 2017 at 06:42:41AM +0200, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: > Seems the Ian's mail was not posted on the list (I dont find it in my > inbox and in archives of the mailing list). Could someone forward me it? It was, both to you and to the list: https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2017

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Hi, Seems the Ian's mail was not posted on the list (I dont find it in my inbox and in archives of the mailing list). Could someone forward me it? Best regards Le 01/08/2017 à 03:35, Ben Finney a écrit : > Ian Jackson writes: > >> Therefore I propose that we should write a letter (1). Draf

Re: Request for official help

Ian Jackson writes: > Therefore I propose that we should write a letter (1). Draft below. Thank you, this looks great. > https://www.debian.org/trademark). That policy doese not make any > requirement about EANs. Therefore (provided the the policy is adhered > to) we have no objection to Debia

Re: Request for official help

Steve McIntyre writes ("Re: Request for official help"): > Looks good to me, but agreed also on the lawyer front. Chris, could you please either nonexclusively delegate this issue to me, or authorise me to contact Debian's lawers, and SPI, on Debian's behalf, to ask them to

Re: Request for official help

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 02:06:54PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > >So I think the Debian project has the following options: > >1. Write a letter like the one I propose below (NB this is > slightly different to the original one proposed.) > >2. Become an EAN issuer via something like this GSI website

Re: Request for official help

MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes ("Re: Request for official help"): > Here is the mail I could get in English. It sums up the situation. Thanks. This is very helpful. As far as I can see: * Amazon seem to be concerned that products should not be sold on Amazon without a

Re: Request for official help

MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes ("Re: Request for official help"): > Le 25/07/2017 à 20:36, Ian Jackson a écrit : > > Henrique, can you please point me to the documentation about these > > exemption letters ? I continue to think that this is perhaps the > > right route

Re: Request for official help

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 12:55 PM, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: > You also need to prove a letter coming from your manufacturer that states > those facts: If Debian can help our physical media image partners to avoid EAN bureaucracy and cost by writing a short letter, that seems like by far the s

Re: Request for official help

Hi, Here is the mail I could get in English. It sums up the situation. Best regards, Le 27/07/2017 à 21:46, Ian Jackson a écrit : > MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes ("Re: Request for official help"): >> Is it a problem if it is a French message? > > I'll cope someh

Re: Request for official help

Le 25/07/2017 à 20:36, Ian Jackson a écrit : > Chris Lamb writes ("Re: Request for official help"): >> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: >>> Run that through some legal advice, though. If "we" (Debian, SPI, etc) >>> get to be co-responsible

Re: Request for official help

Le 25/07/2017 à 23:59, Ian Jackson a écrit : > MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes ("Re: Request for official help"): >> The alternative is my initial proposal, more simple than others indeed: >> mentioning in an official letter that Debian will not get any EAN in >>

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MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes ("Re: Request for official help"): > Is it a problem if it is a French message? I'll cope somehow :-). Ian.

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Hi, Is it a problem if it is a French message? Best regards Le 27/07/2017 à 21:12, Ian Jackson a écrit : > MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes ("Re: Request for official help"): >> Le 25/07/2017 à 23:59, Ian Jackson a écrit : >>> MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes ("Re: Req

Re: Request for official help

MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes ("Re: Request for official help"): > Le 25/07/2017 à 23:59, Ian Jackson a écrit : > > MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes ("Re: Request for official help"): > > Can you please point me to the documentation you are reading about > > the

Re: Request for official help

MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes ("Re: Request for official help"): > The alternative is my initial proposal, more simple than others indeed: > mentioning in an official letter that Debian will not get any EAN in > next two years, and that Debian does not want Hypra to sell Debia

Re: Request for official help

Le 25/07/2017 à 19:49, Chris Lamb a écrit : > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > >> Run that through some legal advice, though. If "we" (Debian, SPI, etc) >> get to be co-responsible for the actions of someone using our EANs with >> permission [in some relevant juridisction], it is best to no

Re: Request for official help

Chris Lamb writes ("Re: Request for official help"): > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > Run that through some legal advice, though. If "we" (Debian, SPI, etc) > > get to be co-responsible for the actions of someone using our EANs with > > permissi

Re: Request for official help

Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > Run that through some legal advice, though. If "we" (Debian, SPI, etc) > get to be co-responsible for the actions of someone using our EANs with > permission [in some relevant juridisction], it is best to not have them > in the first place. I'm inclined to ag

Re : Re: Request for official help

Hi, I agree with this. I think we mainly should create EANs for live DVDs and CD/DVD1 of installer, for some architectures only, then on-demand. THe fact is that if I understand what I read about EANs, it would have not additional cost for Debian, just some time. Once the framework done (subsc

Re: Request for official help

On Tue, 25 Jul 2017, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 04:39:21PM +0200, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: > > Right but if Debian could subscribe to such service, it could freely > > generate as EANs as needed for their releases, installers, liveDVDs. But > > indeed, maybe it is not the

Re: Request for official help

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 04:39:21PM +0200, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: > Right but if Debian could subscribe to such service, it could freely > generate as EANs as needed for their releases, installers, liveDVDs. But > indeed, maybe it is not the easiest solution. I think it does make sense to hav

Re: Request for official help

Hi, Le 20/07/2017 à 13:52, Ian Jackson a écrit : > MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes ("Re: Request for official help"): >> Any vendor then has threee solutions: >> >> 1. Getting from Debian an official letter (see attached template) to >> say: a) we don't wan

Re: Request for official help

On Thu, 2017-07-20 at 12:52 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Also, is it really the case that Amazon Marketplace requires > everything sold to have an EAN ? It's not that hard to find out - certainly less time than it took to type that paragraph: https://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=amazon+seller+

Re: Request for official help

MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes ("Re: Request for official help"): > Any vendor then has threee solutions: > > 1. Getting from Debian an official letter (see attached template) to > say: a) we don't want any seller to send Debian without an EAN on a > marketplace; b) w

Re: Request for official help

>> 3. Getting an EAN from Debian organization itself > Just out of interest, how much is this? hmmm according to what I see, for professionals (so I dont know what about non-profit organiations): - first subscription: 100 + 85 euros - anual cost: 85 euros It opens a right to an infinite number o

Re: Request for official help

Hi, As a Debian DVD vendor, I would like to submit you a situation. Any vendor trying to sell on Amzon marketplace needs to bind an EAN with a product. Selling on Amazon is a good idea to promote Debian and its releases anywhere on the Web, even for desktop releases I think. Any vendor then h

Re: Request for official help

[Dropping leader@ from CC. Please avoid HTML mail in future!] Dear Jean-Phillipe, > 3. Getting an EAN from Debian organization itself Just out of interest, how much is this? Regards, -- ,''`. : :' : Chris Lamb `. `'` la...@debian.org / chris-lamb.co.uk `-