The hole made by swine in rooting (was: Screw) non-free.

2004-03-22 Thread Martin Albert
PS. Dict'ing the subject line confuses me even more. While i certainly have fun with the software, i hope that the originator of this subject did not mean to 'defeat expectation through trickery' or 'oppress'? no Screw is a synonym for fuck, and as it is not a 4-letter word, it is

Fasten or tighten (was: Screw) non-free.

2004-03-22 Thread Martin Albert
On Saturday 20 March 2004 11:36, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 12:47:52AM +, Colin Watson wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 10:47:25AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: not changing things is effectively a removal of non-free: Some bug-free contrib and non-free packages are

Re: Fasten or tighten (was: Screw) non-free.

2004-03-22 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Martin Albert [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-03-22 15:51]: There is this list of QA maintained packages, however. I don't use any of them and currently can't put more into my 'queue of promises'. Half of this stuff doesn't exist in unstable anymore. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Fasten or tighten (was: Screw) non-free.

2004-03-22 Thread Martin Albert
On Monday 22 March 2004 16:24, Martin Michlmayr wrote: * Martin Albert [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-03-22 15:51]: There is this list of QA maintained packages, however. I don't use Half of this stuff doesn't exist in unstable anymore. Oops, sorry, i always forget about the stable Debian machines

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-21 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 12:55:23PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 09:39:50PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: A package was built by the maintainer for one architecture. Can I be sure, that the licence allows rebuilding it on another architecture? Not without reading the

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-21 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sun, Mar 21, 2004 at 12:16:27PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 12:55:23PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 09:39:50PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: A package was built by the maintainer for one architecture. Can I be sure, that the licence allows

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-20 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 12:47:52AM +, Colin Watson wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 10:47:25AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: not changing things is effectively a removal of non-free: Some bug-free contrib and non-free packages are waiting for more than one year to enter testing since they

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-19 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 01:36:44AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 11:55:56AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: The buildds currently ignore non-free packages. How do you propose to rectify or work around that? Will passing Anthony Towns's proposed amendment automatically

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-19 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 12:55:23PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 09:39:50PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: A package was built by the maintainer for one architecture. Can I be sure, that the licence allows rebuilding it on another architecture? Not without reading the

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-19 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 10:47:25AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: not changing things is effectively a removal of non-free: Some bug-free contrib and non-free packages are waiting for more than one year to enter testing since they were not rebuilt on all architectures. File ftp.debian.org bugs

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-18 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 02:11:22PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 12:45:50PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 05:47:25PM -0500, Clint Adams wrote: To our users who were used to quality packages from accountable maintainers even if the software

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-18 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 12:28:59PM +, Colin Watson wrote: I've started occasionally building powerpc non-free packages with a private sbuild installation (I should set up buildd too, but haven't got round to it). It's relatively slow work since I need to check the copyright files first,

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-18 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Adrian Bunk wrote: On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 12:28:59PM +, Colin Watson wrote: I've started occasionally building powerpc non-free packages with a private sbuild installation (I should set up buildd too, but haven't got round to it). It's relatively slow work since I need to check the

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-18 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 08:51:28PM +0100, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: Adrian Bunk wrote: On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 12:28:59PM +, Colin Watson wrote: I've started occasionally building powerpc non-free packages with a private sbuild installation (I should set up buildd too, but haven't got

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-18 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 11:55:56AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: The buildds currently ignore non-free packages. How do you propose to rectify or work around that? Will passing Anthony Towns's proposed amendment automatically rectify it? If not, shouldn't we have a plan in place for

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-18 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 09:39:50PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: A package was built by the maintainer for one architecture. Can I be sure, that the licence allows rebuilding it on another architecture? Not without reading the license, no. Apparently there've been packages like this in the past

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-17 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 12:45:50PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 05:47:25PM -0500, Clint Adams wrote: To our users who were used to quality packages from accountable maintainers even if the software wasn't 100% DFSG-compliant: bummer, man. Out of date in non-free by

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 10:15:02PM -0500, Evan Prodromou wrote: HM == Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: HM To our users who were used to quality packages from HM accountable maintainers even if the software wasn't 100% HM DFSG-compliant: bummer, man. There appear to be a

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
(No need to CC me.) On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 05:47:25PM -0500, Clint Adams wrote: To our users who were used to quality packages from accountable maintainers even if the software wasn't 100% DFSG-compliant: bummer, man. Out of date in non-free by arch --- [...]

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-16 Thread Evan Prodromou
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 HM == Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: HM I don't think the removal of non-free from debian.org can be HM justified on the basis of time effort alone. Of course not. Supporting non-free and contrib also complicates all our tools

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 01:02:54PM -0500, Evan Prodromou wrote: Supporting non-free and contrib also complicates all our tools and confuses people as to what Debian is. Neither of which is as tangible as the amount of effort necessary to switch, so you have to understand that there are people

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-16 Thread Evan Prodromou
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 JR == Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Me Supporting non-free and contrib also complicates all our tools Me and confuses people as to what Debian is. JR Neither of which is as tangible as the amount of effort JR necessary to

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-15 Thread Clint Adams
To our users who were used to quality packages from accountable maintainers even if the software wasn't 100% DFSG-compliant: bummer, man. Out of date in non-free by arch --- alpha72 arm 78 hppa 72 i386 6 ia64 67 m68k 59 mips101 mipsel

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-15 Thread Evan Prodromou
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 HM == Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Me Having Debian-the-project put time or effort into anything Me that isn't Debian-the-OS is wasteful. HM Perhaps it is, but is that important? Anyone who works on HM non-free is