Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes:
It seems to me that the Debian Maintainer role is clearly focussed
on granting the minimum needed to be a maintainer within the Debian
project, as opposed to a maintainer not within the Debian project.
So
On Dienstag, 6. Juli 2010, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
Also Debian Developers are able to upload stuff, therefore uploaders. No
no, that just doesn't fit :)
Obviously Debian Developers can do, what DMs can do.
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On Jul 5, 2010, at 16:54, Holger Levsen wrote:
Hi,
On Montag, 5. Juli 2010, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
As they seem to be often used in a shortened version, is there any way,
we can prevent Debian maintainers and Package maintainers both to be
maintainers?
rename Debian
On 05/07/2010 16:54, Holger Levsen wrote:
Hi,
On Montag, 5. Juli 2010, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
As they seem to be often used in a shortened version, is there any
way, we can prevent Debian maintainers and Package maintainers
both to be maintainers?
rename Debian maintainers to
On 07/05/2010 11:19 PM, Henri Le Foll wrote:
I understand that any one who has an advocate can become a Debian
Maintainer.
So the Debian Maintainer as it is today could become a Debian
Contributor. Without any modification.
Everything relies on the advocation.
I have created
On Tuesday 06 July 2010, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
DMs and DDs are maintainers and in some cases, DMs are also uploaders.
Debian Contributor seems nice enough, as Christoph Berg already
suggested.
So where would that leave translators, art people, etc, etc. Aren't
they contributing to? Contributors
On 6 July 2010 12:56, Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl wrote:
On Tuesday 06 July 2010, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
DMs and DDs are maintainers and in some cases, DMs are also uploaders.
Debian Contributor seems nice enough, as Christoph Berg already
suggested.
So where would that leave translators, art
On Saturday 03 July 2010 03:48:39 Ana Guerrero wrote:
Quoting a small paragraph of the loong email:
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 07:01:18PM +0200, Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo
wrote:
(There are more official Debian Developers in that city but they didn't
reply to the calls, and they
On Tue Jul 06 12:56, Frans Pop wrote:
On Tuesday 06 July 2010, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
DMs and DDs are maintainers and in some cases, DMs are also uploaders.
Debian Contributor seems nice enough, as Christoph Berg already
suggested.
So where would that leave translators, art people, etc,
* Martin Ågren martin.ag...@gmail.com [2010-07-06 13:28:31 CEST]:
On 6 July 2010 12:56, Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl wrote:
Seems to me we've already had this discussion with exactly the same
alternatives a few years back.
Indeed. What I think Cristoph meant in his first message, but not
* Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo [2010-07-02 19:01 +0200]:
[4] Including not acknowledging NMUs (many of them FTBFS), not replying to
most (any?) bug reports, not replying when people asked to update the
software or orphan it if he was not interested anymore, not replying to my
(private)
Hi,
First of all, most honest thanks to you Russ, you seem to be the only one
concerned really with what I am saying (even reading it).
On Sunday 04 July 2010 19:36:02 Russ Allbery wrote:
Please try to use a charitable reading of other people's messages when
understanding e-mail and, as
Aioanei Rares debian.dev.l...@gmail.com writes:
Quoting from the link above : If a renaming take place, will there be
also a reform of the membership. And which will come first.
As a native English speaker, I read the above as questions. They should
have question-mark (?) instead of full-stop
Hello Manuel,
I would like you not to be so hurt, calm down and listen to people.
By rule of thumb nobody in the boat is evil, but there are many
misunderstandings which with *pacience and time* will get solved.
2010/7/2 Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo manuel.montez...@gmail.com:
Another thing,
[2010-07-06 14:05] Gerfried Fuchs rho...@deb.at
* Martin ?gren martin.ag...@gmail.com [2010-07-06 13:28:31 CEST]:
[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/10/msg5.html
I really would like to see this proposal (or at least something along
the lines) to be carried on
Hi,
On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 03:13:34PM +0200, Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo wrote:
I, as an outsider, don't want to investigate and report on people, in
general; I'm just concerned with packages being in a good shape (especially
the ones that I know of, and if I can help in any way).
well,
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo
manuel.montez...@gmail.com wrote:
There's an anual ping for Debian Maintainers, maybe it would be a good idea
to do something similar for Debian Developers, which AFAIK there's no such
thing. Any task can be better planned if you
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Patrick Schoenfeld
schoenf...@debian.org wrote:
And that is already wrong and (for now!) IMHO disqualifying you from beeing
a DD. The point is, we want our DDs to take some responsibility
for the ideals and goals of the project and to be trustworthy.
That is
On 07/06/2010 02:24 PM, Carsten Hey wrote:
* Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo [2010-07-02 19:01 +0200]:
[4] Including not acknowledging NMUs (many of them FTBFS), not replying to
most (any?) bug reports, not replying when people asked to update the
software or orphan it if he was not interested
Hi,
Firs of all: for people who are going to reply me from now on: Please don't
make me repeat the same thing a dozen times, it's boring for me to have to
do so and for people reading.
So if you're going to tell you opinon about whether you consider that I made
effort enough or not to apply
On 06/07/10 10:09, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote:
some stuff about Manuel not being ready for DD status
AFAICT, none of this justifies silently removing someone from the NM
database.
--
Saludos,
Felipe Sateler
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the page http://wiki.debian.org/Maintainers/Discussion has been updated
with what had been said this morning.
Feel free to change it.
I don't know yet how to make the distinction in this page between the
renaming discussion and the reform of the membership.
Thanks to Aioanei Rares and Ben
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010, Felipe Sateler wrote:
On 06/07/10 10:09, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote:
some stuff about Manuel not being ready for DD status
AFAICT, none of this justifies silently removing someone from the NM
database.
I can't speak for the NM team, but if he was asked to go through DM
On Tuesday 06 July 2010, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
I can't speak for the NM team, but if he was asked to go through DM
first (and that's what I understood), I could understand that his NM
application got removed for now.
This is the thing I'm having some problem with in the discussion so far.
Is
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010, Frans Pop wrote:
Is it actually OK for FD to demand that candidates go through DM
before applying for DD, or as part of the NM process?
If the FD isn't fairly confident that someone has enough experience in
Debian to make occupying an AM's time and taking slotes and time
On Tuesday 06 July 2010, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010, Frans Pop wrote:
Is it actually OK for FD to demand that candidates go through DM
before applying for DD, or as part of the NM process?
If the FD isn't fairly confident that someone has enough experience in
Debian to make
On 06/07/10 15:11, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010, Felipe Sateler wrote:
On 06/07/10 10:09, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote:
some stuff about Manuel not being ready for DD status
AFAICT, none of this justifies silently removing someone from the NM
database.
I can't speak for the NM
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010, Frans Pop wrote:
On Tuesday 06 July 2010, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010, Frans Pop wrote:
Is it actually OK for FD to demand that candidates go through DM
before applying for DD, or as part of the NM process?
If the FD isn't fairly confident that
On Tuesday 06 July 2010, Don Armstrong wrote:
The FD can say that someone isn't ready to enter the NM process,
though, and then provide specific suggestions as to how they can
demonstrate to the FD that they are ready to enter the NM process.
I'm not disagreeing with that. But that's a
Hello,
On Tuesday 06 July 2010 21:11:00 Raphael Hertzog wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010, Felipe Sateler wrote:
On 06/07/10 10:09, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote:
some stuff about Manuel not being ready for DD status
AFAICT, none of this justifies silently removing someone from the NM
database.
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes:
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010, Felipe Sateler wrote:
AFAICT, none of this justifies silently removing someone from the NM
database.
I can't speak for the NM team, but if he was asked to go through DM first
(and that's what I understood), I could understand
On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 02:01:01PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010, Frans Pop wrote:
On Tuesday 06 July 2010, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010, Frans Pop wrote:
Is it actually OK for FD to demand that candidates go through DM
before applying for DD, or as part
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