Re: infrastructure team procedures (fifth edit)

2008-04-18 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 01:46:16AM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote: The Debian Prject clarifies that all privileged roles held on debian.org machines are to be considered delegations by the DPL according to the constitution, ยง as long as we trust ourselves not to elect DPLs going nuts

Re: infrastructure team procedures (fifth edit)

2008-04-17 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 05:40:43PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: There has also been ambiguity on the constitutional position of infrastructure teams as such, particularly those that predate it. [...] Debian developers resolve the following: [...] As I read it, the developers

Re: infrastructure team procedures (fifth edit)

2008-04-17 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Thursday 17 April 2008 13:11, Josip Rodin wrote: We acknowledge the previously existing ambiguity, and then continue on a fully constitutionally defined procedure to decide things that resolve any such ambiguity. What's your dilemma again? :) That it's not fully spelled out. I mean,

Re: infrastructure team procedures (fifth edit)

2008-04-17 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 02:52:54PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: We acknowledge the previously existing ambiguity, and then continue on a fully constitutionally defined procedure to decide things that resolve any such ambiguity. What's your dilemma again? :) That it's not fully spelled

Re: infrastructure team procedures (fifth edit)

2008-04-17 Thread Stephen Gran
It seems to me that after sam's emails this morning, this proposal is frankly unnecessary. Does your proposal bring anything that sam's emails didn't? It's clear that at least one DPL feels that the DPL is already empowered to do the things you are proposing. --

Re: infrastructure team procedures (fifth edit)

2008-04-17 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 03:40:05PM +0100, Stephen Gran wrote: It seems to me that after sam's emails this morning, this proposal is frankly unnecessary. Does your proposal bring anything that sam's emails didn't? It's clear that at least one DPL feels that the DPL is already empowered to do

Re: infrastructure team procedures (fifth edit)

2008-04-17 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Josip Rodin said: Ad hoc interventions are just that. We need to have a crack at solving the underlying problem, and that means trying to stop depending on a myriad of unknown variables. My point was that your proposal, underneath quite a bit of verbiage, in the

Re: infrastructure team procedures (fifth edit)

2008-04-17 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 04:01:14PM +0100, Stephen Gran wrote: This one time, at band camp, Josip Rodin said: Ad hoc interventions are just that. We need to have a crack at solving the underlying problem, and that means trying to stop depending on a myriad of unknown variables. My point

Re: infrastructure team procedures (fifth edit)

2008-04-17 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Holger Levsen wrote: As I read it, the developers would - if this GR would be accepted as it is - acknowledge, that some people seem to think they act - within their Debian roles - outside Debians constitution. And since we acknowledge this from now on, this practice becomes fine and

Re: infrastructure team procedures (fifth edit)

2008-04-16 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Monday 14 April 2008 21:11, Josip Rodin wrote: Proposed general resolution - Project infrastructure team procedures Debian developers acknowledge the following: [...] There has also been ambiguity on the constitutional position of infrastructure teams as such, particularly

Re: infrastructure team procedures (fifth edit)

2008-04-15 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:46:36PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: * Each infrastructure team has not added any new members according to the rule above, but has had to mark at least two members as latent in the same period, has to accept at least one new valid candidate. The second

infrastructure team procedures (fifth edit)

2008-04-14 Thread Josip Rodin
Hi, This is take five - Stephen Gran sent me several suggestions for rewording and stating things explicitly in private mail. I've spelled a few more things out, and reordered some of the text so that it's clearer what's going on. I've also moved some paragraphs from the acknowledgement section

Re: infrastructure team procedures (fifth edit)

2008-04-14 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 14/04/08 at 21:11 +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: * Each infrastructure team has not added any new members according to ^ isn't there a missing that here? the rule above, but has had to mark at least two members as latent in the same period, has to accept

Re: infrastructure team procedures (fifth edit)

2008-04-14 Thread Noah Meyerhans
One small typo fix. diff is attached. And a question on the following text: * Each infrastructure team has to accept at least two valid candidates every two years. * Each infrastructure team has not added any new members according to the rule above, but has had to mark at least two

Re: infrastructure team procedures (fifth edit)

2008-04-14 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 03:41:43PM -0400, Noah Meyerhans wrote: One small typo fix. diff is attached. Thanks. (And to Lucas.) And a question on the following text: * Each infrastructure team has to accept at least two valid candidates every two years. * Each infrastructure team

Re: infrastructure team procedures (fifth edit)

2008-04-14 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:46:36PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: The second rule is meant to address the situation where a team is losing members to inactivity, but two years haven't passed yet (otherwise the first rule would have been applicable) - such a team should accept one new valid