Re: python shebang, and other interpreters.

2009-09-20 Thread Wolodja Wentland
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 23:49 +0200, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > [Wolodja Wentland, 2009-09-20] > > On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 20:52 +0200, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > >>[Wolodja Wentland, 2009-09-20] > >>> To give a somewhat extreme example. A user could decide to install a new > >>> Python version within

Backports: Django, web.py, Trac - anyone wants them?

2009-09-20 Thread W. Martin Borgert
Hi, for some reasons I need lenny backports of python-django, python-webpy and trac. Some of the packages I don't need for "production use", but for automatic testing (using bitten) only. I could work with squeeze chroots, but probably I will go for the backports. Now my question: Are more people

Re: new dh_python proposal

2009-09-20 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
FTR: Joss and few other maintainers (whose opinion I care about) didn't like my proposal (mainly due to binNMUs for arch:all packages) so I'm not working on this new tool. I planed to start working on it once we'll agree how it should look like. There's no consensus so I'm focusing on preparing all

Re: python shebang, and other interpreters.

2009-09-20 Thread Wolodja Wentland
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 22:18 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > Wolodja Wentland wrote: [ placed on top because this is the main point ] > > If however the *env python scheme is enforced in the policy the problems > > I outlined in my original post are solved without additional problems > > (?). If t

Re: python shebang, and other interpreters.

2009-09-20 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Wolodja Wentland, 2009-09-20] > On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 20:52 +0200, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: >>[Wolodja Wentland, 2009-09-20] >>> To give a somewhat extreme example. A user could decide to install a new >>> Python version within /usr/local - which i think is commonly done with >>> Python 2.6 these

Re: new dh_python proposal

2009-09-20 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Kumar Appaiah wrote: > On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 12:00:09PM -0400, anatoly techtonik wrote: >> Now about the proposal (from newcomer's point of view): >> dh_python is a shell script -- I have a strong belief that Python >> package automation scripts should be written in Python, there is no >> need to

Re: [kob...@debian.org: The future of Zope{2, 3} and Plone in Debian and Ubuntu]

2009-09-20 Thread Matthias Klose
On 20.09.2009 16:45, Jonas Meurer wrote: if i got it right then packaging the dependencies as seperate packages isn't an option for zope2.12, we'll have to include them within the zope2.10 source tarball. the reason for that is, that zope2.12 requires particular versions of the dependencies, and

Re: python shebang, and other interpreters.

2009-09-20 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Wolodja Wentland wrote: > I can see your need as a python application maintainer to be *sure* that > the python version distributed with debian is used to run that program. Exactly. > But the '/usr/bin/env python' scheme will result in exactly that > behaviour if the administrator/user has not i

Re: python shebang, and other interpreters.

2009-09-20 Thread Wolodja Wentland
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 20:52 +0200, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > If user/administrator is not following FHS and touching files outside > /usr/local, it's his problem. /usr/local and /etc is where administrator > can do his changes/improvements. I completely agree! Did I give you reason to believe tha

Re: Quick analysis of the Python dist-packages transition

2009-09-20 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Steve Langasek, 2009-09-20] > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 09:18:16PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > * 505 of these packages do not use distutils and should not be > > affected, still shipping files to site-packages/. However, > > according to Scott Kimmermann (who handled par

Re: Quick analysis of the Python dist-packages transition

2009-09-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 09:18:16PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > * 505 of these packages do not use distutils and should not be > affected, still shipping files to site-packages/. However, > according to Scott Kimmermann (who handled parts of this > transition in Ub

Re: python shebang, and other interpreters.

2009-09-20 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Wolodja Wentland, 2009-09-20] > I can see your need as a python application maintainer to be *sure* that > the python version distributed with debian is used to run that program. > But the '/usr/bin/env python' scheme will result in exactly that > behaviour if the administrator/user has not intent

Re: python shebang, and other interpreters.

2009-09-20 Thread Wolodja Wentland
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 19:05 +0200, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > [Wolodja Wentland, 2009-09-20] > > On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 18:42 +0200, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > > > IMHO /usr/bin/python should be a rule and "/usr/bin/env python" - (very > > > rare) exception (ipython or paster might qualify here) > >

Re: python shebang, and other interpreters.

2009-09-20 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Wolodja Wentland, 2009-09-20] > On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 18:42 +0200, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > > IMHO /usr/bin/python should be a rule and "/usr/bin/env python" - (very > > rare) exception (ipython or paster might qualify here) > > Could you elaborate on the reasons for that? I am really intereste

Re: python shebang, and other interpreters.

2009-09-20 Thread Wolodja Wentland
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 18:42 +0200, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > IMHO /usr/bin/python should be a rule and "/usr/bin/env python" - (very > rare) exception (ipython or paster might qualify here) Could you elaborate on the reasons for that? I am really interested and it is my impression that enforcing

Re: python shebang, and other interpreters.

2009-09-20 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Wolodja Wentland, 2009-09-20] > Statistics > == > > I can not generate an overview over all python applications, but the > following numbers give an overview on the schemes employed on *my* > system: > > Programs in /usr/bin > > > #!/usr/bin/env python 43 pro

Re: python shebang, and other interpreters.

2009-09-20 Thread Wolodja Wentland
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 13:08 +0200, Andrea Gasparini wrote: > Hi, > I'm searching for some pointers of discussions about python shebang. > My main consideration is that if I want to install another python > installation or another interpreter (say for example jython, > ironpython, or > unladenswal

Re: [kob...@debian.org: The future of Zope{2, 3} and Plone in Debian and Ubuntu]

2009-09-20 Thread Jonas Meurer
hey, On 20/09/2009 Matthias Klose wrote: > The zope2.12 release candidate was released last week. I updated the > packaging in the zope team repository. An upload still requires some > work, because some modules still need to be packaged. These are: > > Acquisition DateTime ExtensionClass > P

Re: [kob...@debian.org: The future of Zope{2, 3} and Plone in Debian and Ubuntu]

2009-09-20 Thread Matthias Klose
On 02.07.2009 13:05, Jonas Meurer wrote: On 23/06/2009 Fabio Tranchitella wrote: Were you aware that we've renumbered the releases and inserted a less ambitious Plone 4, which should be in beta by the end of the year? It will run on (and require) Zope 2.12. Plone is finally joining the modern P