Re: Python 2 d-d-a proposal

2015-04-16 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 4:48 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: You might also ask Debian teams using Python in the Debian infrastructure to review their packaged dependencies and identify any that aren't available for Python3. We'll need to know that soon so we can work on porting

Python and Debian infrastructure

2015-04-16 Thread Paul Wise
In addition to the Python 3 related work: Port service dependencies to Python 3. Port service code-bases to Python 3. We also need to: Port Django based services to Django 1.7 Port services based on Pylons (deprecated) to something else like Django: snapshot.debian.org debexpo

Re: Python 2 d-d-a proposal

2015-04-16 Thread Karsten Hilbert
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 04:27:51PM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: I'd like this to have the endorsement of the team, so, does anyone object to me asking people to not write new tools in Python 2 only (prefer alternative deps or porting), and only use Python 2 in very special curcumstances or

Re: Python 2 d-d-a proposal

2015-04-16 Thread Karsten Hilbert
With all this desire to drop Python 2 eventually -- there are packages, say gnumed-client, which simply cannot be ported to Python 3 ATM because important dependencies don't exist for Py 3, say pythonX-wxgtk. Karsten -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ eu.pool.sks-keyservers.net E167 67FD A291 2BEA 73BD

Re: Python and Debian infrastructure

2015-04-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 16, 2015, at 02:58 PM, Paul Wise wrote: Does anyone know of any other deprecated Python stuff that we should move away from? One of the things I'd like to see happen, probably from the PyPA (Python Packaging Authority), is some help for determining this via PyPI. For example, if you

Re: Python and Debian infrastructure

2015-04-16 Thread Nicolas Chauvat
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 02:58:53PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: Port services based on Pylons (deprecated) to something else like Django: Pylons is deprecated in favor of Pyramid. It could be that porting these services to Pyramid will be easier than rewriting on top of Django. -- Nicolas Chauvat

Re: Python 2 d-d-a proposal

2015-04-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 16, 2015, at 10:07 AM, Karsten Hilbert wrote: Maybe /usr/bin/python can become a wrapper executing Python 2 (like now) but also showing Python 2 will be deprecated in 2020 the latest. Do not use it to write new code. Consider helping in porting existing code.

Re: Python 2 d-d-a proposal

2015-04-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 16, 2015, at 10:10 AM, Karsten Hilbert wrote: With all this desire to drop Python 2 eventually -- there are packages, say gnumed-client, which simply cannot be ported to Python 3 ATM because important dependencies don't exist for Py 3, say pythonX-wxgtk. Right. The best approach is to

Re: Python and Debian infrastructure

2015-04-16 Thread Jan Dittberner
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 02:30:16PM +0200, Nicolas Chauvat wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 02:58:53PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: Port services based on Pylons (deprecated) to something else like Django: Pylons is deprecated in favor of Pyramid. It could be that porting these services to Pyramid

Re: Python 2, Python 3, Stretch Buster

2015-04-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 16, 2015, at 04:33 PM, Cyril Brulebois wrote: (Last time EOL approached, it was pushed back by 5 years, so…) PEP 373 says that 2.7 will have bug fix releases until 2020. I suspect it will continue to have security releases for some time after that, as long as there's sufficient

Re: Python 2 d-d-a proposal

2015-04-16 Thread Daniele Tricoli
On Wednesday 15 April 2015 20:54:38 Barry Warsaw wrote: I'm up for helping too, of course. Me too! Kind regards, -- Daniele Tricoli 'Eriol' http://mornie.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: Python and Debian infrastructure

2015-04-16 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 10:48 PM, Jan Dittberner wrote: Pyramid is a bit more lightweight Flask might be another option for lightweight framework needs. Paul already suggested to merge debianmemberportfolio with db.debian.org but I did not have time to evaluate that option yet. That is

Re: Python 2, Python 3, Stretch Buster

2015-04-16 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org (2015-04-16): Background == Python 2 is scheduled to be EOL'd upstream officially and for good in 2020. We're in 2015 now (wow, that went quickly), and keeping our release cadence up (3 years a pop) puts Stretch up in 2018, and Buster in 2021.

Re: Bits from the Debian PyCon Hangout - PyPy

2015-04-16 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, April 16, 2015 06:45:08 PM Stefano Rivera wrote: Hi Scott (2015.04.15_18:30:23_+0200) If we are sharing dist-packages, then pypy can probably use the same binary when the content would be the same. Only in cases where the content is different would you duplicate a separate

Re: Python 2, Python 3, Stretch Buster

2015-04-16 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 04/16/2015 03:50 PM, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: If you're interested in this effort, please email me. This is a really good new contributor task, so if anyone's asked you how they could get involved with Debian, you should send them to us! /me raises hand I'm interested! :) Generally

Re: Offer to help with Python 2 porting

2015-04-16 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Bryan Shook wrote: I saw Paul Tagliamonte's post to the debian-devel-announce list. I'd be interested in assisting with this project. I wrote some ctypes Python code that interacted with a Windows DLL. I ran into a lot of String encoding situations with

Re: pygame and python 3

2015-04-16 Thread Lenard Lindstrom
Hi, Pygame supported python3 since before version 1.9.0 in 2009. All Pygame code is written to work with either Python 2.x or 3.x. So building Pygame for python3 is the same as for python2. Just use python3 setup.py build instead of python setup.py build. Installation is also the same. For

pygame and python 3

2015-04-16 Thread peter green
One python package used heavilly in the raspberry pi community is pygame. Unfortunately the package hasn't had an upstream stable release since 2009 and the upstream stable release doesn't support python3. Currently sid has the latest upstream stable release and no python3-pygame package.