Re: [kob...@debian.org: The future of Zope{2, 3} and Plone in Debian and Ubuntu]

2009-09-20 Thread Matthias Klose
On 02.07.2009 13:05, Jonas Meurer wrote: On 23/06/2009 Fabio Tranchitella wrote: Were you aware that we've renumbered the releases and inserted a less ambitious Plone 4, which should be in beta by the end of the year? It will run on (and require) Zope 2.12. Plone is finally joining the modern

Re: python shebang, and other interpreters.

2009-09-20 Thread Wolodja Wentland
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 13:08 +0200, Andrea Gasparini wrote: Hi, I'm searching for some pointers of discussions about python shebang. My main consideration is that if I want to install another python installation or another interpreter (say for example jython, ironpython, or unladenswallow

Re: python shebang, and other interpreters.

2009-09-20 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Wolodja Wentland, 2009-09-20] Statistics == I can not generate an overview over all python applications, but the following numbers give an overview on the schemes employed on *my* system: Programs in /usr/bin #!/usr/bin/env python 43 programs

Re: python shebang, and other interpreters.

2009-09-20 Thread Wolodja Wentland
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 18:42 +0200, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: IMHO /usr/bin/python should be a rule and /usr/bin/env python - (very rare) exception (ipython or paster might qualify here) Could you elaborate on the reasons for that? I am really interested and it is my impression that enforcing the

Re: python shebang, and other interpreters.

2009-09-20 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Wolodja Wentland, 2009-09-20] On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 18:42 +0200, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: IMHO /usr/bin/python should be a rule and /usr/bin/env python - (very rare) exception (ipython or paster might qualify here) Could you elaborate on the reasons for that? I am really interested and

Re: python shebang, and other interpreters.

2009-09-20 Thread Wolodja Wentland
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 19:05 +0200, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: [Wolodja Wentland, 2009-09-20] On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 18:42 +0200, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: IMHO /usr/bin/python should be a rule and /usr/bin/env python - (very rare) exception (ipython or paster might qualify here) Could

Re: python shebang, and other interpreters.

2009-09-20 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Wolodja Wentland, 2009-09-20] I can see your need as a python application maintainer to be *sure* that the python version distributed with debian is used to run that program. But the '/usr/bin/env python' scheme will result in exactly that behaviour if the administrator/user has not

Re: Quick analysis of the Python dist-packages transition

2009-09-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 09:18:16PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: * 505 of these packages do not use distutils and should not be affected, still shipping files to site-packages/. However, according to Scott Kimmermann (who handled parts of this transition in

Re: Quick analysis of the Python dist-packages transition

2009-09-20 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Steve Langasek, 2009-09-20] On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 09:18:16PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: * 505 of these packages do not use distutils and should not be affected, still shipping files to site-packages/. However, according to Scott Kimmermann (who handled parts of

Re: python shebang, and other interpreters.

2009-09-20 Thread Wolodja Wentland
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 20:52 +0200, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: If user/administrator is not following FHS and touching files outside /usr/local, it's his problem. /usr/local and /etc is where administrator can do his changes/improvements. I completely agree! Did I give you reason to believe that

Re: new dh_python proposal

2009-09-20 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Kumar Appaiah wrote: On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 12:00:09PM -0400, anatoly techtonik wrote: Now about the proposal (from newcomer's point of view): dh_python is a shell script -- I have a strong belief that Python package automation scripts should be written in Python, there is no need to learn

Re: python shebang, and other interpreters.

2009-09-20 Thread Wolodja Wentland
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 22:18 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: Wolodja Wentland wrote: [ placed on top because this is the main point ] If however the *env python scheme is enforced in the policy the problems I outlined in my original post are solved without additional problems (?). If there

Re: new dh_python proposal

2009-09-20 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
FTR: Joss and few other maintainers (whose opinion I care about) didn't like my proposal (mainly due to binNMUs for arch:all packages) so I'm not working on this new tool. I planed to start working on it once we'll agree how it should look like. There's no consensus so I'm focusing on preparing

Backports: Django, web.py, Trac - anyone wants them?

2009-09-20 Thread W. Martin Borgert
Hi, for some reasons I need lenny backports of python-django, python-webpy and trac. Some of the packages I don't need for production use, but for automatic testing (using bitten) only. I could work with squeeze chroots, but probably I will go for the backports. Now my question: Are more people

Re: python shebang, and other interpreters.

2009-09-20 Thread Wolodja Wentland
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 23:49 +0200, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: [Wolodja Wentland, 2009-09-20] On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 20:52 +0200, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: [Wolodja Wentland, 2009-09-20] To give a somewhat extreme example. A user could decide to install a new Python version within /usr/local -