Re: Proposed policy change to define but discourage Python wheels in Debian

2014-05-16 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, May 16, 2014 14:09:26 Barry Warsaw wrote: > Second draft. > -Barry > > === modified file 'debian/python-policy.sgml' > --- debian/python-policy.sgml 2014-05-12 10:21:25 + > +++ debian/python-policy.sgml 2014-05-16 18:08:52 + > @@ -32,7 +32,1

Re: Proposed policy change to define but discourage Python wheels in Debian

2014-05-16 Thread Scott Kitterman
-05-12 10:21:25 + > +++ debian/python-policy.sgml 2014-05-16 15:23:30 + > @@ -32,7 +32,11 @@ > Scott Kitterman > sc...@kitterman.com > > - version 0.9.5 > + > +Barry Warsaw > +ba...@debian.org > + > +

Re: wheel support for Debian?

2014-05-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, May 15, 2014 18:32:01 Barry Warsaw wrote: > My thoughts... > > On May 16, 2014, at 12:07 AM, Matthias Klose wrote: > > - should we add wheels everywhere? I don't think we should, > > > > but I'd like to state this somewhere, like in the python policy. > > Agreed, we should not add

Switch to python3.4 as default python3 imminent

2014-05-09 Thread Scott Kitterman
Based on discussions with the release team, I think we'll be able to do this next week (assuming the sip-api transition that just started goes well). blender will need an upload and python-astropy is broken and will remain broken until upstream fixes it. Are there any other issues people know o

Re: favouring Python3 in the Debian policy

2014-05-07 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, May 07, 2014 11:27:20 Barry Warsaw wrote: > Should we also update Appendix B to promote --buildsystem=pybuild or at > least reference it? It's a reasonably safe bet that almost anything needs update. Scott K -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with

Re: python-docker

2014-05-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, May 05, 2014 17:20:09 Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 09:18:57PM +, Tianon Gravi wrote: > > Hi! :) > > > > I'm part of the docker-maint team (which is listed in Uploaders on > > python-docker), and I'm interested in joining DPMT to help Paul maintain > > and update

Re: Getting rid of python-support?

2014-05-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
On April 30, 2014 1:15:42 PM EDT, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: >On 30 April 2014 18:01, Matthias Klose wrote: >> Am 30.04.2014 17:31, schrieb Luca Falavigna: >>> Hi, >>> >>> python-central is gone (\o/) and python-support usage is slowly >>> decreasing in the archive: >>> http://lintian.debian.org/

Re: Getting rid of python-support?

2014-04-30 Thread Scott Kitterman
On April 30, 2014 11:31:55 AM EDT, Luca Falavigna wrote: >Hi, > >python-central is gone (\o/) and python-support usage is slowly >decreasing in the archive: >http://lintian.debian.org/tags/dh_pysupport-is-obsolete.html > >Do you think it would be the right time to prepare a mass bug filing >asking

Re: ‘dh’ invoking Python 2 ‘pyversions’ in a Python 3-only package

2014-03-29 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sunday, March 30, 2014 17:01:05 Ben Finney wrote: > Howdy all, > > I'm attempting to build a Python 3-only package, but ‘dh’ insists on > trying to find some Python 2 versions. > > The ‘debian/control’ contains a “X-Python3-Versions” field, and does not > contain any “X-Python-Versions” field.

Re: Python 3.4 and ensurepip (rehashed, long)

2014-03-25 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 15:29:06 Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Mar 25, 2014, at 03:19 PM, Donald Stufft wrote: > >I assume once someone has installed pip with apt-get they’d still be able > >to run pip install —upgrade pip if they wanted too? > > I would think they should be able to do that. If I'v

Re: Python 3.4 and ensurepip (rehashed, long)

2014-03-21 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 17:40:51 Barry Warsaw wrote: > Signed by ba...@warsaw.us.Show Details > TL;DR: Let's re-enable the ensurepip module in Python 3.4, and possibly >address some usability issues. We should descend en masse on Montreal > and stage a revolt at Pycon. :) > > Python

Re: Request for join the team

2014-03-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, March 05, 2014 18:28:56 Sandro Knauß wrote: > Hello, > > I'm interested to join the team with my alioth account (hefee-guest). I want > to package python-srs within this team. Scott K. has agreed to sponser me. Sounds good. I"ve accepted your request. Welcome, Scott K signature.

Re: ABI change that causes PyQwt and PyQwt3d to segfault

2014-01-08 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, January 08, 2014 23:22:40 Gudjon I. Gudjonsson wrote: > Hi list > I got a bug report regarding PyQwt (see below). Once again > it segfaults and when I test PyQwt3d it segfaults as well. >The problem is fixed by a new upload but my problem is that > I cannot request a binNMU un

Re: Will rtupdate be used for python 2 --> python 3 transition?

2013-10-30 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 09:57:36 Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Oct 30, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Dmitry Shachnev wrote: > >Not before python2.7 is removed from the archive. See previous > >discussions on this ML, i.e. this thread: > >http://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2013/07/msg00049.html. > > The

Re: Using ‘export http_proxy = http://127.0.9.1:9/’ to fail noisily on dependency problems

2013-10-11 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Saturday, October 12, 2013 11:26:28 Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 10/12/2013 01:26 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > On Oct 11, 2013, at 07:23 PM, Julian Taylor wrote: > >> It is better if one disables internet access of package builds > >> completely. > >> With pbuilder and iptables this is very easy, j

Re: Program shebang line with specific ‘/usr/bin/pythonX.Y’ interpreter (was: Bug#635476: current packaging work for Coverage)

2013-10-10 Thread Scott Kitterman
Ben Finney wrote: >Dmitry Shachnev writes: > >> In your particular case, python3-coverage depends on 'python3 (<< >> 3.4), python3 (>= 3.3)', so when it is installed /usr/bin/python3 >will >> be always a link to python3.3, so the shebang doesn't matter here. >But >> in general, I recommend peop

Re: PEP 453 affects Debian packaging of Python packages

2013-09-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, September 20, 2013 15:44:05 Thomas Kluyver wrote: > On 20 September 2013 12:08, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > > Don't take this as me trashing on Python or Pythonistas. If you want to > > talk > > about this in person, I'm usually at PyCon. I'm also usually in the > > packaging > > BOF. Per

Re: PEP 453 affects Debian packaging of Python packages

2013-09-19 Thread Scott Kitterman
Paul Tagliamonte wrote: >On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 05:16:22PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: >> Howdy all, >> >> Over at the ‘python-dev’ forum, PEP 453 is being discussed. This >affects >> Debian packaging of Python, and packages written for Python. >> >> See the discussion thread and take the opport

Re: Please install /usr/bin/python2

2013-09-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, September 16, 2013 23:23:30 Kerrick Staley wrote: > On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > OK. I think that convinces me it's widely enough spread we ought to fix > > this for Wheezy. I'll take it up with the release managers as it'

Re: PEP 453 affects Debian packaging of Python packages

2013-09-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
Paul Tagliamonte wrote: >On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 10:57:30PM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Paul Tagliamonte > wrote: >> > 4) Python modules from dpkg are borderline useless for >developers. We >> > package modules so that apps can use them, not so t

Re: PEP 453 affects Debian packaging of Python packages

2013-09-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
Paul Tagliamonte wrote: >On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 05:41:52PM +0200, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: >> ok, I forgot to add ";)", but... > >Sure, but let's be more careful - I don't want people quoting "Debian >Python" people telling people they're going to purge pip from the >archive... > >It's all too of

Re: PEP 453 affects Debian packaging of Python packages

2013-09-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
Paul Wise wrote: >On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >> P.S. I'm not nominating myself to be the diplomat that talks to >upstream for what are probably obvious reasons. > >Too late, upstream folks (for eg Barry Warsaw) are on this list, are >D

Re: PEP 453 affects Debian packaging of Python packages

2013-09-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
Paul Tagliamonte wrote: >On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 03:22:19PM +0200, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: >> [W. Martin Borgert, 2013-09-18] >> > As a passionate pip hater I would go for a Conflicts, >> > which finally would make pip uninstallable :~) >> > Next steps: get rid of gem, npm, EPT, ... >> >> +1 (un

Re: PEP 453 affects Debian packaging of Python packages

2013-09-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, September 18, 2013 17:16:22 Ben Finney wrote: > Howdy all, > > Over at the ‘python-dev’ forum, PEP 453 is being discussed. This affects > Debian packaging of Python, and packages written for Python. > > See the discussion thread and take the opportunity to represent Debian > https:/

Re: Please install /usr/bin/python2

2013-09-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sunday, September 15, 2013 14:34:27 Scott Kitterman wrote: > Kerrick Staley wrote: > >Scott, I booted up a CentOS 6.4 VM, and the symlink is there (runs > >python2.6). I'd be interested to know if there are any other systems > >where > >it's unavailable th

Re: Please install /usr/bin/python2

2013-09-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
Kerrick Staley wrote: >Scott, I booted up a CentOS 6.4 VM, and the symlink is there (runs >python2.6). I'd be interested to know if there are any other systems >where >it's unavailable though. OK. I think that convinces me it's widely enough spread we ought to fix this for Wheezy. I'll take i

Re: Please install /usr/bin/python2

2013-09-14 Thread Scott Kitterman
2.7. Scott K > >On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Scott Kitterman >wrote: > >> >> >> Kerrick Staley wrote: >> >Thanks! >> > >> >The upstream recommendation (from PEP 394 [1]) is that, going >forward, >> >portable scripts

Re: Please install /usr/bin/python2

2013-09-14 Thread Scott Kitterman
Kerrick Staley wrote: >Thanks! > >The upstream recommendation (from PEP 394 [1]) is that, going forward, >portable scripts *can't* assume python is python2, and *should* use >python2. > >- Kerrick > >[1] http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/ I'm very familiar with it. Now we get to Arch is

Re: Please install /usr/bin/python2

2013-09-13 Thread Scott Kitterman
Kerrick Staley wrote: >Please install /usr/bin/python2 as part of the default Debian install. >It >still doesn't exist on 7.1, which prevents scripts with a shebang of >#!/usr/bin/python2 from running. > >Note that the following matters (which have derailed previous threads >on >this topic) are

Re: Request to join DPMT

2013-08-21 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 21:25:41 Diane Trout wrote: > Hi, > > I wanted to help maintain python-lightblue which was currently up for > adoption. I also submitted python-htseq a little while ago through the > debian- med team. > > My day job is as a python programmer/systems administrator at

Re: python3.3 status

2013-08-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, August 02, 2013 09:13:56 Scott Kitterman wrote: > python3.3 is the default python3. We're going straight to dropping > python3.2 from supported python3 versions. binNMUs were already done for > morse- simulator,postgresql-9.1,yafaray,and znc after python3.3 became &g

Re: dh-python in unstable

2013-08-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
Stefano Rivera wrote: >Hi Dmitrijs (2013.08.05_00:05:50_+0200) >> pypy published a release with python3 support > >I'm not entirely sure how to handle pypy3 yet... >pypy3 will be able to share /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages, which >probably means single binary packages for both cpython3 and

Re: python3.3 status

2013-08-02 Thread Scott Kitterman
python3.3 is the default python3. We're going straight to dropping python3.2 from supported python3 versions. binNMUs were already done for morse- simulator,postgresql-9.1,yafaray,and znc after python3.3 became default. These issues still remain: > libguestfs - No longer FTBFS on amd64, but do

Re: django-ajax-selects

2013-07-29 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 16:15:58 Brian May wrote: > On 30 July 2013 15:52, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > The package name is incorrect. Per the python policy, the binary name > > should > > be python-ajax-select. That's the module name. > > Really? I thought it w

Re: django-ajax-selects

2013-07-29 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 11:19:58 Brian May wrote: > On 30 July 2013 11:15, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > Where is the package? > > The source is on subversion: > > svn+ssh:// > svn.debian.org/svn/python-modules/packages/django-ajax-selects/trunk > http://anonscm.debia

Re: django-ajax-selects

2013-07-29 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 09:37:21 Brian May wrote: > > x: python-django-ajax-selects: incorrect-package-name python-ajax-select > > I don't know where it is getting the python-ajax-select name from. > > If I don't get any responses here, I will assume my package is fine. Where is the package?

Re: PEP 394 and shebang lines for /usr/bin/python2 scripts

2013-07-24 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 07:09:26 PM Barry Warsaw wrote: > Alright, I obviously haven't convinced anybody, so I'll drop it. We'll let > the PEP 394 bug reports speak for themselves . But the responses I've > read so far make me think I probably wasn't clear in what I am proposing. > On Jul 25,

Re: PEP 394 and shebang lines for /usr/bin/python2 scripts

2013-07-24 Thread Scott Kitterman
Barry Warsaw wrote: >On Jul 24, 2013, at 01:32 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >>Jakub Wilk wrote: >>>* Barry Warsaw , 2013-07-24, 12:38: >>>>In any case, it's come up that PEP 394 recommends distros start >>>>adopting shebang lines that state /u

Re: PEP 394 and shebang lines for /usr/bin/python2 scripts

2013-07-24 Thread Scott Kitterman
Jakub Wilk wrote: >* Barry Warsaw , 2013-07-24, 12:38: >>In any case, it's come up that PEP 394 recommends distros start >>adopting shebang lines that state /usr/bin/python2 in their scripts, >>and I don't think we do this yet. We should! > >We absolutely should not. Definitely not. The ent

Re: python3.3 status

2013-07-14 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Saturday, July 06, 2013 10:22:22 PM Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Wednesday, July 03, 2013 01:55:07 PM Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Friday, June 21, 2013 01:30:00 AM Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 12:53:40 AM Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > &

Re: Inconsistency in source package naming for python modules

2013-07-10 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, July 11, 2013 12:30:54 AM Stuart Prescott wrote: > Thomas Goirand wrote: > > On 07/08/2013 10:10 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >> There is no policy on this either way, so there's no "mistake". > > > > Well, the mistake is precisely t

Re: Inconsistency in source package naming for python modules

2013-07-08 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, July 08, 2013 09:59:02 PM Thomas Goirand wrote: > Hi, > > Over the last months, I've seen lots of inconsistency in the source > package naming scheme in the python module maintained in the team. > Sometimes, module X will have its source package called python-X or just X. > > If we hav

Re: python3.3 status

2013-07-06 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, July 03, 2013 01:55:07 PM Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Friday, June 21, 2013 01:30:00 AM Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 12:53:40 AM Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > Here's a further update on packages pertaining to the 3.3 transition: &g

Re: python3.3 status

2013-07-03 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, July 03, 2013 06:15:11 PM PICCA Frédéric-Emmanuel wrote: > >Looking at where we are now, the open issues are down to #711761 and > >#711761. > To my opinion, (I am the maintainer of pytango) this is not a problem if > pytango is not available on s390. I forwarded the bug to the upstre

Re: python3.3 status

2013-07-03 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, July 03, 2013 02:04:08 PM Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Jul 03, 2013, at 01:55 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >Looking at where we are now, the open issues are down to #711761 and > >#711761. > Don't forget #711761 and #711761. > > :) Meh. #710545. Scott

Re: python3.3 status

2013-07-03 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, June 21, 2013 01:30:00 AM Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 12:53:40 AM Scott Kitterman wrote: > > Here's a further update on packages pertaining to the 3.3 transition: > > > libguestfs - No longer FTBFS on amd64, but does on i386, #71054

Re: Requesting non -guest account on Alioth

2013-06-28 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, June 28, 2013 09:08:33 PM Jakub Wilk wrote: > * Barry Warsaw , 2013-06-28, 11:46: > >Could the project admins for DPMT and PAPT please add my non-guest > >account? > > Done for DPMT. Done for PAPT. Scott K -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a su

Re: Introducing myself

2013-06-23 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sunday, June 23, 2013 07:21:53 PM Jakub Wilk wrote: > * Etienne Millon , 2013-06-23, 14:57: > >What is the preferred method: update the TODO page[2], post a RFS on > >the list, > > I prefer e-mails, but I don't sponsor much, and other sponsors/reviewers > preferences may vary. > > >or just set

Re: Request to Join Project Python Modules Packaging Team from Mike Neish (neishm-guest)

2013-06-21 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, June 21, 2013 02:33:02 PM Mike Neish wrote: > * Sandro Tosi, 2013-06-21, 08:37: > > Sandro, are you okay with me adding Mike to the team, so the > > he can commit the patch? > > > > sorry for the late reply; sure go ahead, > > > > Welcome to the team, Mike! :) >

Re: python3.3 status

2013-06-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 12:53:40 AM Scott Kitterman wrote: > Here's a further update on packages pertaining to the 3.3 transition: > > libguestfs - No longer FTBFS on amd64, but does on i386, #710545, now > builds for all python3 versions > nuitka FTBFS unrepod

Re: django-tables package

2013-06-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 02:47:44 PM Brian May wrote: > On 19 June 2013 14:33, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > Patch to use the installed copy. I had to do this once before. > > How do I do this? I don't see any references to objects.inv in the > upstream source code for

Re: python3.3 status

2013-06-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
Here's a further update on packages pertaining to the 3.3 transition: boost1.49 Fixed flufl.bounce builds now that zope.interface is updated hivex FTBFS fixed, dependencies fixed, nothing further to do. libguestfs - No longer FTBFS on amd64, but does on i386, #710545, now builds for all python3

Re: django-tables package

2013-06-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 01:57:47 PM Brian May wrote: > Hello, > > Can I please get somebody to review my django-tables package before I > upload to Debian? > > I copied the updates from my django-filter package. > > Code is at > > http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/python-modules/packages/dja

Re: python3.3 status

2013-06-12 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, June 12, 2013 03:13:38 PM Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Wednesday, June 12, 2013 12:48:45 AM Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Thursday, June 06, 2013 12:46:05 PM Scott Kitterman wrote: > More updates and added all the "unknown" packages from the transition > track

Re: python3.3 status

2013-06-12 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, June 12, 2013 12:48:45 AM Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Thursday, June 06, 2013 12:46:05 PM Scott Kitterman wrote: > More updates and added all the "unknown" packages from the transition tracker. Items marked as fixed in the last update have been removed. > >

Re: python3.3 status

2013-06-11 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, June 06, 2013 12:46:05 PM Scott Kitterman wrote: Here's another update based on work I've done, noticed other people did, or responses to the last one of these I sent. It does not include work which I neither notice nor people told me about. Items marked as fixed i

Re: dh_python2+dh_python3

2013-06-11 Thread Scott Kitterman
Vincent Bernat wrote: >Hi! > >I just converted a package to add a Python3 package. I expected this to >be as simple as: > > 1. Declaring the package in debian/control and add the appropriate >dependency stuff. > 2. Use dh --with python2,python3 $@. > >However, this is more tricky: > > - dh_

Re: python3.3 status

2013-06-06 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, May 23, 2013 06:19:06 PM Scott Kitterman wrote: > I've been working on this a bit ... > > On Tuesday, May 07, 2013 02:01:26 PM Jakub Wilk wrote: > > python3-defaults maintainer(s?) decided to make python3.3 a supported > > version without prior notice.

Re: Obsolete Conflits/Replaces: python2.3-MODULE, python2.4-MODULE

2013-06-04 Thread Scott Kitterman
Jakub Wilk wrote: >Quite a few packages carry Conflicts or Replaces with > >python2.4-MODULE or >python2.3-MODULE or sometimes even >pythonX.Y-MODULE for X.Y < 2.3. > >Not only such packages are long gone, but it's very unlikely that the >file conflict that was the reason to add these Conflict

Re: python3.3 status

2013-05-23 Thread Scott Kitterman
I've been working on this a bit ... On Tuesday, May 07, 2013 02:01:26 PM Jakub Wilk wrote: > python3-defaults maintainer(s?) decided to make python3.3 a supported > version without prior notice. Yay. Now we have dozens of packages > failing to build: > > boost1.49 FTBFS TODO > boost1.50 FTBFS TOD

Re: Typo in Python Policy

2013-05-21 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:05:30 PM Reuben Thomas wrote: > Near the start of Chapter 1, Section 1.1: > > "implmentation" → "implementation" > > Checked against 0.9.4.2. Fixed in the VCS for the next python-defaults upload. Thanks, Scott K -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@l

Re: Bug#708573: trac-accountmanager: Please remove Python Applications Packaging Team as maintainer

2013-05-17 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, May 17, 2013 02:13:10 PM Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > On 05/17/2013 01:55 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > You misunderstand. > > I don't think i misunderstood at all. > > > I'm all for having a good common environment for the team to work on. I >

Re: Bug#708573: trac-accountmanager: Please remove Python Applications Packaging Team as maintainer

2013-05-17 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, May 17, 2013 01:50:09 PM Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > On 05/17/2013 01:40 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > If the team moves to full source git archives, I'll just drop the team > > from > > all the packages I maintain. > > > > Scott K > >

Re: Bug#708573: trac-accountmanager: Please remove Python Applications Packaging Team as maintainer

2013-05-17 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, May 17, 2013 01:33:38 PM Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > On 05/17/2013 01:20 PM, Thomas Kluyver wrote: > > This came up recently on debian-python. It's a very long thread, but the > > basic outcome was that, while quite a few people wanted to move away from > > svn, there was very little co

Re: Bug#708573: trac-accountmanager: Please remove Python Applications Packaging Team as maintainer

2013-05-17 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, May 17, 2013 10:53:39 AM Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > On 05/17/2013 08:22 AM, W. Martin Borgert wrote: > > Quoting "Scott Kitterman" : > >> Package: trac-accountmanager > > > > ... > > > >> Since the package has been removed fr

Re: Accepted python-defaults 2.7.3-5 (source all)

2013-05-06 Thread Scott Kitterman
Do you object to the dropping of 2.6 or just the lack of discussion before it was done? Scott K On Monday, May 06, 2013 09:29:11 AM Sandro Tosi wrote: > Hello, > has this been discussed *and* agreed on? I can only see Luca's mail > for python plans, but no ack from other "members of the debian p

Re: About canonical Vcs fields

2013-03-14 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, March 14, 2013 05:56:47 PM Dmitry Shachnev wrote: > Hi, > > We discussed new lintian vcs-field-not-canonical check in IRC last week, > which affects *lots* of packages in our SVN (see [¹]). Now people are > recommended to use `svn://anonscm.debian.org/*` URIs instead of > `svn://svn.d

Re: Packaging applications with extensions modules

2013-02-22 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Saturday, February 23, 2013 12:24:16 AM Jakub Wilk wrote: > * Scott Kitterman , 2013-02-22, 17:56: > >>>>>>* you can ship extensions for more than one 3.x version in the > >>>>>>same private directory, thanks to tags > >>>>> > &

Re: Packaging applications with extensions modules

2013-02-22 Thread Scott Kitterman
Stefano Rivera wrote: >Hi Scott (2013.02.23_00:17:30_+0200) >> >> >* you can ship extensions for more than one 3.x version in the >> >> >same private directory, thanks to tags >> >> Does dh_python3 support such setup? (I would be very surprised if >it >> >> did.) >> >You have a point. That'd be

Re: Packaging applications with extensions modules

2013-02-22 Thread Scott Kitterman
Stefano Rivera wrote: >Hi Jakub (2013.02.22_23:48:24_+0200) > >> * Stefano Rivera , 2013-02-22, 23:31: >> >* you can ship extensions for more than one 3.x version in the >> >same private directory, thanks to tags >> >> Does dh_python3 support such setup? (I would be very surprised if it >> did

Re: How does team maintenace of python module works?

2013-02-22 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, February 22, 2013 03:14:30 PM Thomas Goirand wrote: ... > The problem is that with SVN, it takes so much time and space > (as each tag will generate some files), so you might have been > fooled into thinking it would also with Git. But the reality simply > not that at all. ... I almost

Re: How does team maintenace of python module works?

2013-02-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, February 21, 2013 02:02:09 PM Chow Loong Jin wrote: > On 21/02/2013 12:46, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > #9 on Steve Bennett's list is right on target IMHO, but I've had this > > discussion so many times before, I don't have much energy for it again. > > > > """ > > 9. Git history is a bunc

Re: How does team maintenace of python module works?

2013-02-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, February 21, 2013 01:52:59 PM Chow Loong Jin wrote: > (Re-posted back on list. Sorry ScottK.) > > On 21/02/2013 12:37, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > With git (I've never used gpb, and maybe that's my problem) I end up > > having to do things like: > >

Re: How does team maintenace of python module works?

2013-02-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, February 21, 2013 03:00:56 PM Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:02:15PM -0500, Scott Kitterman a écrit : > > On Thursday, February 21, 2013 11:08:13 AM Chow Loong Jin wrote: > > ... > > > > > That argument applies to any VCS that

Re: How does team maintenace of python module works?

2013-02-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, February 21, 2013 01:57:11 PM Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 02/21/2013 12:32 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > On Feb 20, 2013, at 11:02 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >> It is to a degree, but the learning curve for git is subtantially steeper > >> than for other

Re: How does team maintenace of python module works?

2013-02-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 11:46:31 PM Barry Warsaw wrote: > >At least with git, you know when you've rewritten history -- you're no > >longer on the same commit. > > #9 on Steve Bennett's list is right on target IMHO, but I've had this > discussion so many times before, I don't have much ene

Re: How does team maintenace of python module works?

2013-02-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, February 21, 2013 12:08:45 PM Chow Loong Jin wrote: > On 21/02/2013 11:58, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Thursday, February 21, 2013 11:12:58 AM Chow Loong Jin wrote: > >> On 21/02/2013 01:59, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >>> I've done the boring bits en

Re: How does team maintenace of python module works?

2013-02-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, February 21, 2013 11:08:13 AM Chow Loong Jin wrote: ... > That argument applies to any VCS that you don't use on a daily basis. You > use bzr on a daily basis and forget how to use git. I use git on a daily > basis and forget how to use svn/bzr and have to relearn it any time someone >

Re: How does team maintenace of python module works?

2013-02-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, February 21, 2013 11:12:58 AM Chow Loong Jin wrote: > On 21/02/2013 01:59, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > I've done the boring bits enough that my fingers mostly do them without > > much attention from my brain. If I were going to abandon my current > >

Re: How does team maintenace of python module works?

2013-02-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
Thomas Goirand wrote: >On 02/20/2013 11:45 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 11:23:44 PM Thomas Goirand wrote: >>> On 02/20/2013 10:43 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: >>>> First, full source repositories are much larger than debian only >

Re: How does team maintenace of python module works?

2013-02-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 11:23:44 PM Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 02/20/2013 10:43 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > First, full source repositories are much larger than debian only > > repositories. I don't have a full checkout of all team packages locally, > > so

Re: How does team maintenace of python module works?

2013-02-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:14:26 PM Thomas Goirand wrote: > Upstream tarballs, in some cases, is a concept of the past. When > they are released (sometimes, they simply don't exist), it may only > an image based on a git tag. Then using Git tags is often better, > because tags may be PGP si

Re: How does team maintenace of python module works?

2013-02-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 04:34:05 PM Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 02/20/2013 12:41 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > This all seems to assume full source branches which is not something I'm > > interested in participating in at all. I've tried it and I find it very &

Re: How does team maintenace of python module works?

2013-02-19 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 12:23:02 PM Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 02/20/2013 06:20 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > * Figure out whether full-source or debian/ only works better (maybe give > > us> > > both repos so we can play with them and discuss the pros and cons from > > actual working ex

Re: How does team maintenace of python module works?

2013-02-19 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 12:23:02 PM Thomas Goirand wrote: > The idea to use "git archive" was mostly from Julien Danjou. It's > very nice because that way, we can use xz compression, instead > of what upstream provides (that is, github .zip or .tar.gz, which > isn't the best). See devref 6

Re: How does team maintenace of python module works?

2013-02-19 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 05:20:48 PM Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Feb 19, 2013, at 09:42 PM, Thomas Kluyver wrote: > >After that it gets tricky, because we'd knock E out next, but the I'm not > >sure where the votes counted for E (Scott & Barry) should be reallocated. > > If it makes things easie

Re: How does team maintenace of python module works?

2013-02-16 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sunday, February 17, 2013 10:35:01 AM Robert Collins wrote: > On 17 February 2013 08:29, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > > On 16 February 2013 14:27, Jakub Wilk wrote: > >> * Scott Kitterman , 2013-02-16, 09:10: > >>> On Saturday, February 16, 2013 12:43:02 PM Th

Re: How does team maintenace of python module works?

2013-02-16 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Saturday, February 16, 2013 12:43:02 PM Thomas Kluyver wrote: > On 16 February 2013 09:10, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > It would be really stupid to only want to "claim" to be working as part > > of the team, that's not at all what I want to do. I'd like to be able to > > help when I can, and rece

Re: How does team maintenace of python module works?

2013-02-14 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, February 14, 2013 04:53:23 PM Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Feb 14, 2013, at 08:54 PM, Thomas Kluyver wrote: > >I don't think it's a particularly good example, though. Lots of packages > >continue to use the older helpers, and not due to a lack of time - attempts > >to move away from the de

Re: PIL/python-imaging becomes a python package and gets Python3 support

2013-02-11 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, February 11, 2013 05:05:23 PM Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > [Barry Warsaw, 2013-02-11] > > > On Feb 11, 2013, at 03:51 PM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > > >I'd also use python-pil and let python-imaging contain the compat code > > >(with Depends: python-pil) > > > > Do you mean, get rid of the -

Re: pybuild - one to rule^W build them all

2013-01-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
"Piotr Ożarowski" wrote: >[Yaroslav Halchenko, 2013-01-20] ... >> wouldn't it make more sense to ship it in a separate package since it >is >> relevant not only for python3? then it would also make possible to >> provide backport packages > >yes, it makes sense. We already talked about it on I

python3-defaults-3.3.0-1 in Experimental

2012-11-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
I've just uploaded a version of python3-defaults to experimental to support testing with python3.3 and with Piotr's new pybuild script (still definitely experimental). Here are the significant changelog entries: * Add Python 3.3 to the list of supported Python 3 versions and make it a def

Re: pyxs review

2012-11-09 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, November 09, 2012 01:32:53 PM Thomas Kluyver wrote: > On 9 November 2012 12:44, Maykel Moya wrote: > > Even in the case of the more restrictive license applying only to > > debian/* work? Could you/someone elaborate a little the implications of > > this (link to fine documentation is we

Re: Join request

2012-10-16 Thread Scott Kitterman
Jakub Wilk wrote: >* Raúl Benencia , 2012-10-15, 19:41: >>I would very much like to join the Debian Python team. I've a bit of >>experience packaging and programming python apps, and now I would like > >>to help with the maintainance of some of the team's packages. > >Welcome to the team! :) >

New sip4 release with API bump

2012-10-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
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Re: PyCon 2013 -- tentative title/abstract/outline -- feedback plz

2012-09-28 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, September 28, 2012 09:53:42 AM Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > On Fri, 28 Sep 2012, Paul Wise wrote: > > > ^^ this is a great idea. It'd be nice if we could prototype a flake8 / > > > pyflakes run against the archive, and filter for serious errors > > > > We did do that at one point with py

Re: suffix for packages with (optional?) Python extensions

2012-07-16 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, July 16, 2012 11:06:59 AM Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jul 2012, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > OK. python-nipy depends on python-nipy-lib. Makes sense. > > > > Is python-nipy-lib useful on it's own? > > nope -- moreover it might be somew

Re: suffix for packages with (optional?) Python extensions

2012-07-16 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, July 16, 2012 10:24:18 AM Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jul 2012, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > >> 1. python{3}-foo which is arch all and follows the current naming > > > > > >convention > > > > > >> of foo being

Re: suffix for packages with (optional?) Python extensions

2012-07-16 Thread Scott Kitterman
Julien Cristau wrote: >On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 11:57:01 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >> 1. python{3}-foo which is arch all and follows the current naming >convention >> of foo being the name you import. It would depend on the arch any >python-foo- >> ext pa

Re: suffix for packages with (optional?) Python extensions

2012-07-13 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, July 13, 2012 11:48:57 AM Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Jul 12, 2012, at 09:00 PM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > >can we agree on a common suffix for such¹ packages and add a suggestion > >to Debian Python Policy? > > +1 > > >I use -ext (python-sqlalchemy-ext) but now I see that there are also >

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