Re: Request to join Python Modules Team

[Thomas Goirand]

On 7/15/20 12:02 PM, Ondrej Novy wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> út 14. 7. 2020 v 23:18 odesílatel Geert Stappers  > napsal:
> 
> And please enlighten me (and us (through the mailinglist))
> what is holding back
>  https://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2020/07/msg00057.html
> 
> 
> huh, this is a bit rude.

I don't agree Geert is being rude. Besides that, I know Geert (from
Debconfs) to be a nice and polite person that isn't rude with others.

Please assume good faith.

Thomas Goirand (zigo)

Re: Request to join Python Modules Team

[Sandro Tosi]

>   Imaging you are the person that wants to join this cool project.
>   You made some effort to apply for membership and sent in the request.
>   Then you wait humblely. Humble as you are, you wait another day.
>   On third day you start wondering "Is asking again expressing
>   that you care or is it pushing the people you want to join?"

I did not see a single MR from all the people that requested to join
the team in recent times (and i'm subscribed to MR notifications for
both DPMT and PAPT), and i do know that you cannot submit an MR for
new packages.

Almost all those introductory mails mentioned "I want to maintain this
new package *AND* [emphasis added] help with general maintenance" but
those maintenance contributions never really came (neither before or
after membership was granted, at least not at the level a person that
cares so much would lead to expect).

If they really want to contribute they can always submit MRs or
patches to the bts, and/or prepare a NEW package in a temporary
location if access is still not granted; but that didnt really happen.

We dont really have a good process to accept new contributions (it
mostly boils down to single individuals to review, merge, upload), but
we also dont really that many to begin with.

Geert, I personally find your approach towards the current
members/admins pushy, so speaking exclusively for myself l I would
suggest you to be mindful that, while I may believe you're trying to
be helpful, you may come across differently than how you intended.

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Re: Request to join Python Modules Team

[Geert Stappers]

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 05:32:58PM -0300, Emmanuel Arias wrote:
> Geert,
> 
> it's more easy and polite ping to admins and ask for the status of
> the request.
> 
> IMHO it's not so funny to ask "Who is waiting on who?"
> 
> Why do we have to wait 75 hours?

75 =  3 days (of 24 hours) plus 3 hours
But actual a value for getting the discussion started.


Other proposals welcome.




In case
> Why do we have to wait 75 hours?
is
> Why do we have to wait?

One volunteer should not let another volunteer waiting.
One volunteer should allow another volunteer time to respond.


In case
> Why do we have to wait 75 hours?
is
> Do you know that I'm waiting?

Ay, that is indeed what not should happen.
Please retransmit the request.


Groeten
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Re: Request to join Python Modules Team

[Geert Stappers]

Hello,


On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 12:02:07PM +0200, Ondrej Novy wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> út 14. 7. 2020 v 23:18 odesílatel Geert Stappers 
> napsal:
> 
> > And please enlighten me (and us (through the mailinglist))
> > what is holding back
> >  https://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2020/07/msg00057.html
> 
> 
> huh, this is a bit rude. This is volunteering project and you are trying to
> give me (us) some deadlines or what?

Acknowledge on how my request is recieved.  Rewording in the make.


Yes, this is a volunteering project.   (said the volunteer)

  Imaging you are the person that wants to join this cool project.
  You made some effort to apply for membership and sent in the request.
  Then you wait humblely. Humble as you are, you wait another day.
  On third day you start wondering "Is asking again expressing
  that you care or is it pushing the people you want to join?"


Thing I'm aiming for is a guideline for
when to retransmit a join request.


I admit that I yesterday did misread 
https://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2020/07/maillist.html
that https://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2020/07/msg00057.html
wasn't unanswered for a long time.

As person who wants to help with enabling fellow volunteers,
I would like to know more about the proces of an application
such as https://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2020/07/msg00057.html
(It was not wise from me to use negative words as "holding back")

It is good see that Sudip Mukherjee is now team member.
( https://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2020/07/msg00072.html )



Groeten
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Re: Request to join Python Modules Team

[Emmanuel Arias]

Geert,

it's more easy and polite ping to admins and ask for the status of
the request.

IMHO it's not so funny to ask "Who is waiting on who?"

Why do we have to wait 75 hours?

Re: Request to join Python Modules Team

[Ondrej Novy]

Hi,

út 14. 7. 2020 v 23:18 odesílatel Geert Stappers 
napsal:

> And please enlighten me (and us (through the mailinglist))
> what is holding back
>  https://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2020/07/msg00057.html


huh, this is a bit rude. This is volunteering project and you are trying to
give me (us) some deadlines or what?

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 Ondřej Nový

Re: Request to join Python Modules Team

[Geert Stappers]

On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 12:42:12PM +0200, Ondrej Novy wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> ne 5. 7. 2020 v 18:46 odesílatel  napsal:
> 
> > Whenever things get stalled it is good to ask:
> >
> >Who is waiting on who?
> >
> 
> We have a rule between admins we are processing join request after few days
> to give everyone chance to give their opinions.
> 
> In this particular case it was my fault and overlooked that email.
> 
> > I volunteer to be part of "Some administrator".
> > 
> cool. Current admins needs to agree, so: @piotr, @stefanor, @kitterman,
> @bzed: your opinions please?

For what it is worth: Wiki addition
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/PythonModulesTeam/HowToJoin?action=diff=23=22
is from me, it says currently:

  Do known that it is okay to ask after 75 hours
  ''Who is waiting on who?''.


> > Debian tradition I will be re-introducing is sending "done messages".
> >
> no need to re-introduce, I'm always sending welcome message :)

I what to help with sending those welcome messages (which implies
accepting the work that comes with it)

And please enlighten me (and us (through the mailinglist))
what is holding back
 https://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2020/07/msg00057.html


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Re: Request to join Python Modules Team

[Ondrej Novy]

Hi,

ne 5. 7. 2020 v 18:46 odesílatel Geert Stappers 
napsal:

> Whenever things get stalled it is good to ask:
>
>Who is waiting on who?
>

We have a rule between admins we are processing join request after few days
to give everyone chance to give their opinions.

In this particular case it was my fault and overlooked that email.

I volunteer to be part of "Some administrator".
>

cool. Current admins needs to agree, so: @piotr, @stefanor, @kitterman,
@bzed: your opinions please?

Debian tradition I will be re-introducing is sending "done messages".
>

no need to re-introduce, I'm always sending welcome message :)

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Re: Request to join Python Modules Team

[Ondrej Novy]

Hi,

so 4. 7. 2020 v 9:17 odesílatel Sao I Kuan  napsal:

> Ping o/ Or am I missing any necessary information?
>

I'm sorry, I overlooked your request. Added to team, welcome.

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Re: Request to join Python Modules Team

[Geert Stappers]

On Sat, Jul 04, 2020 at 09:19:56AM -0300, Emmanuel Arias wrote:
> El sáb., 4 de jul. de 2020 a la(s) 04:17, Sao I Kuan escribió:
> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 6:22 PM Sao I Kuan  wrote:
> > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 6:16 PM Sao I Kuan  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hiya o/,
> > > >
> > > > I would like to join the Python Modules Team.
> > > >
> > > > I'm a newcomer into Debian from this March, and doing the packaging
> > > > which is COVID-19 related, with COVID-19 Biohackathon[0].
> > > >
> > > > [0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2020/03/msg00010.html
> > > >
> > > > Now I'm trying to packaging the new python application idseq-bench[1]
> > > > (which will be team-maintained inside debian-med), which needs a
> > > > module smart_open[2]. I think [2] could be team maintained inside
> > > > DPMT.
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://github.com/chanzuckerberg/idseq-bench
> > > > [2] https://github.com/RaRe-Technologies/smart_open
> > > >
> > > > I read the Debian Python Policy[3].
> > > >
> > > > [3] https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/
> > >
> > > I now found and accept the DPMT Policy[4]. My Salsa handle is 
> > > @sikuan-guest.
> > >
> > > [4] 
> > > https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/-/blob/master/policy.rst
> >
> > Ping o/ Or am I missing any necessary information?
> >
> > My Salsa handle was changed to @sikuan.
> > Thank you!
> >
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You just need to be patient.

To a certain degree is being patient good.
It is all about working together, reaching a common goal.


Whenever things get stalled it is good to ask:

   Who is waiting on who?


> Some administrator from the team will join you.

I volunteer to be part of "Some administrator".

Please grant me, account "stappers" at  debian.org and at Salsa,
to privilege to allow people the Python teams.

I have reread [3] https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/



Debian tradition I will be re-introducing is sending "done messages".



Regards
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Re: Request to join Python Modules Team

[Emmanuel Arias]

Hi,

You just need to be patient. Some administrator from the team will join you.

Cheers,
Arias Emmanuel
@eamanu
http://eamanu.com

El sáb., 4 de jul. de 2020 a la(s) 04:17, Sao I Kuan
(saoik...@gmail.com) escribió:
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 6:22 PM Sao I Kuan  wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 6:16 PM Sao I Kuan  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hiya o/,
> > >
> > > I would like to join the Python Modules Team.
> > >
> > > I'm a newcomer into Debian from this March, and doing the packaging
> > > which is COVID-19 related, with COVID-19 Biohackathon[0].
> > >
> > > [0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2020/03/msg00010.html
> > >
> > > Now I'm trying to packaging the new python application idseq-bench[1]
> > > (which will be team-maintained inside debian-med), which needs a
> > > module smart_open[2]. I think [2] could be team maintained inside
> > > DPMT.
> > >
> > > [1] https://github.com/chanzuckerberg/idseq-bench
> > > [2] https://github.com/RaRe-Technologies/smart_open
> > >
> > > I read the Debian Python Policy[3].
> > >
> > > [3] https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/
> >
> > I now found and accept the DPMT Policy[4]. My Salsa handle is @sikuan-guest.
> >
> > [4] 
> > https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/-/blob/master/policy.rst
>
> Ping o/ Or am I missing any necessary information?
>
> My Salsa handle was changed to @sikuan.
> Thank you!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Sao I Kuan
> saoik...@gmail.com
>

Re: Request to join Python Modules Team

[Sao I Kuan]

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 6:22 PM Sao I Kuan  wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 6:16 PM Sao I Kuan  wrote:
> >
> > Hiya o/,
> >
> > I would like to join the Python Modules Team.
> >
> > I'm a newcomer into Debian from this March, and doing the packaging
> > which is COVID-19 related, with COVID-19 Biohackathon[0].
> >
> > [0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2020/03/msg00010.html
> >
> > Now I'm trying to packaging the new python application idseq-bench[1]
> > (which will be team-maintained inside debian-med), which needs a
> > module smart_open[2]. I think [2] could be team maintained inside
> > DPMT.
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/chanzuckerberg/idseq-bench
> > [2] https://github.com/RaRe-Technologies/smart_open
> >
> > I read the Debian Python Policy[3].
> >
> > [3] https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/
>
> I now found and accept the DPMT Policy[4]. My Salsa handle is @sikuan-guest.
>
> [4] 
> https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/-/blob/master/policy.rst

Ping o/ Or am I missing any necessary information?

My Salsa handle was changed to @sikuan.
Thank you!

Sincerely,

Sao I Kuan
saoik...@gmail.com

Re: Request to join Python Modules Team

[Sao I Kuan]

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 6:16 PM Sao I Kuan  wrote:
>
> Hiya o/,
>
> I would like to join the Python Modules Team.
>
> I'm a newcomer into Debian from this March, and doing the packaging
> which is COVID-19 related, with COVID-19 Biohackathon[0].
>
> [0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2020/03/msg00010.html
>
> Now I'm trying to packaging the new python application idseq-bench[1]
> (which will be team-maintained inside debian-med), which needs a
> module smart_open[2]. I think [2] could be team maintained inside
> DPMT.
>
> [1] https://github.com/chanzuckerberg/idseq-bench
> [2] https://github.com/RaRe-Technologies/smart_open
>
> I read the Debian Python Policy[3].
>
> [3] https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/

I now found and accept the DPMT Policy[4]. My Salsa handle is @sikuan-guest.

[4] 
https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/-/blob/master/policy.rst

Thank you!

Sincerely,

Sao I Kuan
saoik...@gmail.com

Re: Request to join Python Modules Team

[Scott Kitterman]

On Saturday, April 4, 2020 5:53:30 PM EDT fancycade wrote:
> Hi there!
> 
> I would like to join the Python Modules Team. For the time being I am
> interested in maintaining packages related to the upcoming covid
> biohackathon. Specifically I am trying to get my feet wet by packaging this
> module https://github.com/kvesteri/validators which is needed by the
> streamlit package.
> 
> I am familiar with Debian packaging, and already have a package that builds.
> 
> My salsa login is: @fancycade-guest
> 
> I have read the Python Modules policy.
> 
> Thanks!

Welcome to the team.

Scott K

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Re: Request to join Python Modules Team on Alioth

[Jakub Wilk]

* Simon Fondrie-Teitler simo...@riseup.net, 2013-04-05, 18:54:
I'm working on getting the module itsdangerous into Debian. More 
information can be found here:


http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/python-modules-team/2013-April/015345.html

It was suggested to me in that thread that I join the python modules 
team and assign the modules team as the maintainer, then add myself for 
the uploader field. I'm also currently working on packaging 
python-audiolab. I will most likely be packaging other modules in the 
future.


Welcome to the team. :)

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Re: Request to join Python Modules Team

[Martin Kelly]

if you've read our policy, then yes, you're DPMT member now :-)

[1] http://python-modules.alioth.debian.org/python-modules-policy.html


Yes, I've read it. Do I need to submit my packages to the subversion 
repository or do I just keep maintaining them like I have in the past?


Thanks,
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Re: Request to join Python Modules Team

[Piotr Ożarowski]

[Martin Kelly, 2009-10-12]
 You can register on alioth even if you're not a DD: your login name
 will have '-guest' suffix, but that's all. Having an alioth user is a
 precondition to join any team (so this included).
 
 Thanks. I registered and my Alioth login is mkelly-guest. Is that all
 I need to join?

if you've read our policy, then yes, you're DPMT member now :-)

[1] http://python-modules.alioth.debian.org/python-modules-policy.html
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Re: Request to join Python Modules Team

[Sandro Tosi]

Hi Martin,
I'm happy to see this email coming :)

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 20:50, Martin Kelly aomig...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, I have been the maintainer of pyecm and python-gmpy for several years
 now and have thought it would be a good idea to maintain these packages
 within the Python Modules Team. Therefore, I request to join it. Note that I
 am not a Debian developer and therefore do not have an Alioth login.

You can register on alioth even if you're not a DD: your login name
will have '-guest' suffix, but that's all. Having an alioth user is a
precondition to join any team (so this included).

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Re: Request to join Python Modules Team

[Martin Kelly]

You can register on alioth even if you're not a DD: your login name
will have '-guest' suffix, but that's all. Having an alioth user is a
precondition to join any team (so this included).

Thanks. I registered and my Alioth login is mkelly-guest. Is that all I 
need to join?


Martn


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Re: Request to join python-modules team

[Raphael Hertzog]

Hi,

On Wed, 05 Jul 2006, Jeremie Corbier wrote:
 I'd like to join the python-modules team in order to maintain
 mmpython[1] and possibly help with other packages. My Alioth login is
 toadstool-guest.

Welcome to the group!

You have been added. You'll have commit rights tomorrow.

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