Re: I've been removed from the Python team

2015-10-03 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
On jeu. 01 oct. 2015 à 18:48:08, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Thursday, October 01, 2015 02:11:29 PM Barry Warsaw wrote: > > On Oct 01, 2015, at 07:47 PM, Vincent Bernat wrote: > > >I am a bit worried that the team is handled behind closed walls. > > > > I have no particular interest in either

Re: I've been removed from the Python team

2015-10-03 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
On sam. 03 oct. 2015 à 16:15:53, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > [Pierre-Elliott Bécue, 2015-10-03] > > Yes, do-it-o-craty is good, at some point, but this is exactly what brought > > Thomas out. So nope, it's not enough. > > and if I didn't do it, it would be better because... > It's easy to point

Re: I've been removed from the Python team

2015-10-03 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Pierre-Elliott Bécue, 2015-10-03] > Yes, do-it-o-craty is good, at some point, but this is exactly what brought > Thomas out. So nope, it's not enough. and if I didn't do it, it would be better because... It's easy to point fingers if it's not you who cleans after each mess. /me (AKA dictator

Re: I've been removed from the Python team

2015-10-02 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 1 octobre 2015 18:48 -0400, Scott Kitterman  : > For the git migration, the people taking the time to do the work or pay > attention to the work and provide feedback are driving what happens > when. It's not possible to give feedback or help when we don't know

Re: I've been removed from the Python team

2015-10-01 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
On jeu. 01 oct. 2015 à 08:09:51, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > [Pierre-Elliott Bécue, 2015-10-01] > > Even if I'm not in the team and thus I do not decide of anything, I > > wonder if that's an appropriate answer, regarding the initial trouble. > > > > We are currently talking about preventing Thomas

Re: I've been removed from the Python team

2015-10-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Oct 01, 2015, at 07:47 PM, Vincent Bernat wrote: >I am a bit worried that the team is handled behind closed walls. I have no particular interest in either grabbing power nor in taking power away from anybody, but I think there may be some value in making team governance more transparent and

Re: I've been removed from the Python team

2015-10-01 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 30 septembre 2015 21:41 +0200, Thomas Goirand  : > Piotr decided to remove me from the Python team. Those who don't agree > (especially admins) please voice your concern. It is my view that this > is an over reaction and that it should be reverted. I am a bit worried that the

Re: I've been removed from the Python team

2015-10-01 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > Does it make sense to have some lightweight rules for the team? Is there > precedence within other Debian teams? please, there's already enough bureaucracy. we have team admins, that all we need -- Sandro Tosi (aka morph,

Re: I've been removed from the Python team

2015-10-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, October 01, 2015 02:11:29 PM Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Oct 01, 2015, at 07:47 PM, Vincent Bernat wrote: > >I am a bit worried that the team is handled behind closed walls. > > I have no particular interest in either grabbing power nor in taking power > away from anybody, but I think

Re: I've been removed from the Python team

2015-10-01 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Pierre-Elliott Bécue, 2015-10-01] > Even if I'm not in the team and thus I do not decide of anything, I > wonder if that's an appropriate answer, regarding the initial trouble. > > We are currently talking about preventing Thomas to maintain his > packages that has DPMT as maintainer, because he

Re: I've been removed from the Python team

2015-09-30 Thread Matthias Klose
kindergarten ... On 30.09.2015 21:41, Thomas Goirand wrote: Hi, Piotr decided to remove me from the Python team. Those who don't agree (especially admins) please voice your concern. It is my view that this is an over reaction and that it should be reverted. Thomas Goirand (zigo)

Re: I've been removed from the Python team

2015-09-30 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 09/30/2015 09:49 PM, Matthias Klose wrote: > kindergarten ... Indeed. We all have better things to do! Thomas

Re: I've been removed from the Python team

2015-09-30 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Thomas Goirand, 2015-09-30] > Piotr decided to remove me from the Python team. DPMT and PAPT to be precise, yes > is an over reaction and that it should be reverted. I talked with you many times in private about your involvement in the teams over last ~3 years and since I kind of forced other

I've been removed from the Python team

2015-09-30 Thread Thomas Goirand
Hi, Piotr decided to remove me from the Python team. Those who don't agree (especially admins) please voice your concern. It is my view that this is an over reaction and that it should be reverted. Thomas Goirand (zigo)

Re: I've been removed from the Python team

2015-09-30 Thread Ian Cordasco
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > On mer. 30 sept. 2015 à 23:13:26, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: >> [Thomas Goirand, 2015-09-30] >> > Piotr decided to remove me from the Python team. >> >> DPMT and PAPT to be precise, yes >> >> > is an over reaction and

Re: I've been removed from the Python team

2015-09-30 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
On mer. 30 sept. 2015 à 23:13:26, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > [Thomas Goirand, 2015-09-30] > > Piotr decided to remove me from the Python team. > > DPMT and PAPT to be precise, yes > > > is an over reaction and that it should be reverted. > > I talked with you many times in private about your

Re: I've been removed from the Python team

2015-09-30 Thread Scott Kitterman
On September 30, 2015 6:43:09 PM EDT, "Pierre-Elliott Bécue" wrote: >Le 1 octobre 2015 00:25:55 GMT+02:00, Ian Cordasco > a écrit : >>On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Pierre-Elliott Bécue > >>wrote: >>> On mer. 30 sept. 2015 à

Re: I've been removed from the Python team

2015-09-30 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Pierre-Elliott, On Thu, Oct 01, 2015 at 12:04:14AM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > On mer. 30 sept. 2015 à 23:13:26, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > > [Thomas Goirand, 2015-09-30] > > > Piotr decided to remove me from the Python team. > > DPMT and PAPT to be precise, yes > > > is an over

Re: I've been removed from the Python team

2015-09-30 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le 1 octobre 2015 00:25:55 GMT+02:00, Ian Cordasco a écrit : >On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Pierre-Elliott Bécue >wrote: >> On mer. 30 sept. 2015 à 23:13:26, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: >>> [Thomas Goirand, 2015-09-30] >>> > Piotr decided to remove me