Re: Challenges packaging Python for a Linux distro - at Python Language Summit

2021-05-24 Thread Stefano Rivera
Hi Thomas (2021.05.12_23:06:45_+) > This looks great. Is there a video of it somewhere? The official blog post on it has been published: https://pyfound.blogspot.com/2021/05/the-2021-python-language-summit_23.html SR -- Stefano Rivera http://tumbleweed.org.za/ +1 415 683 3272

Re: Re: Challenges packaging Python for a Linux distro - at Python Language Summit

2021-05-17 Thread Brian May
Jeremy Stanley writes: > For software development work, I compile my own Python interpreters > and libraries, because I need to develop against a variety of > different versions of these, sometimes in chroots, to be able to > target other distros and releases thereof. I keep all these in my > hom

Re: Challenges packaging Python for a Linux distro - at Python Language Summit

2021-05-17 Thread Thomas Goirand
Hi Luke, First, I'd like you to know I feel sorry to read how much you seem affected by what you describe below. Hopefully, you'll find a viable solution soon, and hopefully, we may help. However, please try to understand what others are telling. The solution you're looking for is probably not th

Re: Re: Challenges packaging Python for a Linux distro - at Python Language Summit

2021-05-17 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2021-05-17 07:10:39 +0100 (+0100), Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > (apologies i forgot to say, please do cc me [...] Done. > a dist-upgrade to debian / testing - a way to obtain the latest > variants of critical software - frequently resulted in massive > breakage. > > i quickly learned

Re: Challenges packaging Python for a Linux distro - at Python Language Summit

2021-05-17 Thread Matthias Klose
On 5/16/21 1:52 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> * One 3.x version at a time. Doesn't line up with cpython's support terms. > numpy and sci-py, the two "best known" debian python software > packages, have known about this for a long, long, time. they > quietly solved it by adding explic

Re: Re: Challenges packaging Python for a Linux distro - at Python Language Summit

2021-05-16 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
(apologies i forgot to say, please do cc me, i am using the list archives reply-to links at https://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2021/05/msg00036.html) Thomas Goirand wrote: > All the horrors that you are painting after this paragraph, are due to > the fact that you aren't doing "apt-get dist-

Re: Challenges packaging Python for a Linux distro - at Python Language Summit

2021-05-16 Thread Brian May
Thomas Goirand writes: > All the horrors that you are painting after this paragraph, are due to > the fact that you aren't doing "apt-get dist-upgrade". I'm having a hard > time understanding why you're both: > - not doing "apt-get dist-upgrade" > - complaining that it's breaking your system > >

Re: Challenges packaging Python for a Linux distro - at Python Language Summit

2021-05-16 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 5/16/21 1:52 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> * One 3.x version at a time. Doesn't line up with cpython's support terms. > > folks, deep breath here: this is much more important than the one line > summary suggests. > > for some background: i have been using debian since 1996 and pyt

Re: Challenges packaging Python for a Linux distro - at Python Language Summit

2021-05-16 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 12:52 PM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > to fix this, there needs to be a stable overlap where multiple compiled > versions > are installed and maintained. to fix the problem, the rule needs to be set: > > * any given version of python *MUST* cross over from one deb

Re: Challenges packaging Python for a Linux distro - at Python Language Summit

2021-05-16 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
> * One 3.x version at a time. Doesn't line up with cpython's support terms. folks, deep breath here: this is much more important than the one line summary suggests. for some background: i have been using debian since 1996 and python for 20+ years, dating back to python 2.0. due to the massive a

Re: Challenges packaging Python for a Linux distro - at Python Language Summit

2021-05-13 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 5/13/21 1:26 AM, Stefano Rivera wrote: > Hi Thomas (2021.05.12_23:06:45_+) >> On 5/12/21 11:21 PM, Stefano Rivera wrote: >>> Matthias Klose gave a presentation at the Python Language Summit on the >>> Challenges packaging Python for a Linux distro. >>> [..] >> This looks great. Is there a vi

Re: Challenges packaging Python for a Linux distro - at Python Language Summit

2021-05-13 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
FWIW, if might come handy in the future, my 4c: > * What do we provide for scientific / data scientist use cases? - https://snapshot.debian.org/ is the unique service allowing to "go back in time" or just "freeze" the environment given a date. Very handy for reproducibility, collab, etc.

Re: Challenges packaging Python for a Linux distro - at Python Language Summit

2021-05-12 Thread Stefano Rivera
Hi Thomas (2021.05.12_23:06:45_+) > On 5/12/21 11:21 PM, Stefano Rivera wrote: > > Matthias Klose gave a presentation at the Python Language Summit on the > > Challenges packaging Python for a Linux distro. > > [..] > This looks great. Is there a video of it somewhere? No, there won't be video

Re: Challenges packaging Python for a Linux distro - at Python Language Summit

2021-05-12 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 5/12/21 11:21 PM, Stefano Rivera wrote: > Matthias Klose gave a presentation at the Python Language Summit on the > Challenges packaging Python for a Linux distro. > [..] This looks great. Is there a video of it somewhere? Cheers, Thomas Goirand (zigo)