Re: Updated PEP 394 (python and python2 commands)

2018-09-25 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Matthias Klose, 2018-09-25] > > how about generating dependencies on python2.7 and moving > > pycompile/pyclean there as well (this also solves pre-dependency issue) > > > >> - Not having a python package in bullseye (buster+1), but a > >>python2 package doesn't point to any "default"

Re: Updated PEP 394 (python and python2 commands)

2018-09-25 Thread Matthias Klose
sorry, I never replied to that email. On 10.06.2018 13:59, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > [Matthias Klose, 2018-06-08] >> from my point of view this doesn't address: >> >> - being able to de-install the python command for buster, if >>people don't use it. Most dependencies are auto-generated, so

Re: Updated PEP 394 (python and python2 commands)

2018-06-10 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Matthias Klose, 2018-06-08] > from my point of view this doesn't address: > > - being able to de-install the python command for buster, if >people don't use it. Most dependencies are auto-generated, so >these could be replaced by dependencies on python2. I would >assume that the

Re: Updated PEP 394 (python and python2 commands)

2018-06-08 Thread Matthias Klose
On 19.05.2018 07:24, Stuart Prescott wrote: Matthias Klose wrote: The distro should get out of the way of using the python symlink, and giving users the freedom / choice what to do about the link. I think I understand your rationale to stop shipping /usr/bin/python and once the unversioned

Re: Updated PEP 394 (python and python2 commands)

2018-05-22 Thread Scott Kitterman
On May 22, 2018 7:24:12 PM UTC, Thomas Goirand wrote: >On 05/20/2018 11:49 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: >> On 05/17/2018 08:53 PM, Matthias Klose wrote: >>> PEP 394 [1] saw an update in April 2018 [2], the diffs at [3]. >>> >>> The most important change from my point of view is

Re: Updated PEP 394 (python and python2 commands)

2018-05-22 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/20/2018 11:49 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 05/17/2018 08:53 PM, Matthias Klose wrote: >> PEP 394 [1] saw an update in April 2018 [2], the diffs at [3]. >> >> The most important change from my point of view is >> >> -* It is suggested that even distribution-specific packages follow the >> -

Re: Updated PEP 394 (python and python2 commands)

2018-05-22 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/17/2018 08:53 PM, Matthias Klose wrote: > PEP 394 [1] saw an update in April 2018 [2], the diffs at [3]. > > The most important change from my point of view is > > -* It is suggested that even distribution-specific packages follow the > - ``python2``/``python3`` convention, even in code

Re: Updated PEP 394 (python and python2 commands)

2018-05-22 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/21/2018 01:38 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > You probably didn't notice that this is already happening (mentioned in the > thread). Great! > There are other parts of the proposal that we are less sanguine about that > you conveniently removed. It is probably a better idea to get your

Re: Updated PEP 394 (python and python2 commands)

2018-05-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On May 20, 2018 9:49:27 PM UTC, Thomas Goirand wrote: >On 05/17/2018 08:53 PM, Matthias Klose wrote: >> PEP 394 [1] saw an update in April 2018 [2], the diffs at [3]. >> >> The most important change from my point of view is >> >> -* It is suggested that even

Re: Updated PEP 394 (python and python2 commands)

2018-05-20 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/17/2018 08:53 PM, Matthias Klose wrote: > PEP 394 [1] saw an update in April 2018 [2], the diffs at [3]. > > The most important change from my point of view is > > -* It is suggested that even distribution-specific packages follow the > - ``python2``/``python3`` convention, even in code

Re: Updated PEP 394 (python and python2 commands)

2018-05-18 Thread Stuart Prescott
Matthias Klose wrote: > The distro should get > out of the way of using the python symlink, and giving users the freedom / > choice what to do about the link. I think I understand your rationale to stop shipping /usr/bin/python and once the unversioned symlink disappears from use in Debian then

Re: Updated PEP 394 (python and python2 commands)

2018-05-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, May 18, 2018 07:29:19 PM Matthias Klose wrote: > On 18.05.2018 18:14, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Friday, May 18, 2018 11:31:37 AM Matthias Klose wrote: > >> On 18.05.2018 05:19, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > >>> [Matthias Klose, 2018-05-17] > >>> > PEP 394 [1] saw an update in April

Re: Updated PEP 394 (python and python2 commands)

2018-05-18 Thread Matthias Klose
On 18.05.2018 19:24, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: >> A bit disappointed about this style of communication, Matthias > > same here (you want us to do something without explaining reasons) > EOT for me. well, I thought I explained in the first message. The distro should get out of the way of using the

Re: Updated PEP 394 (python and python2 commands)

2018-05-18 Thread Matthias Klose
On 18.05.2018 18:14, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Friday, May 18, 2018 11:31:37 AM Matthias Klose wrote: >> On 18.05.2018 05:19, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: >>> [Matthias Klose, 2018-05-17] >>> PEP 394 [1] saw an update in April 2018 [2], the diffs at [3]. The most important change from

Re: Updated PEP 394 (python and python2 commands)

2018-05-18 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
> A bit disappointed about this style of communication, Matthias same here (you want us to do something without explaining reasons) EOT for me. -- GPG: 1D2F A898 58DA AF62 1786 2DF7 AEF6 F1A2 A745 7645

Re: Updated PEP 394 (python and python2 commands)

2018-05-18 Thread Matthias Klose
On 18.05.2018 19:02, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: >> who said, that we should rename packages? The only packages being dropped are >> the python defaults packages. >>> >>> I refuse to do that work! >> >> There is no work in renaming the packages. It's about the dependency >> generation >> and the

Re: Updated PEP 394 (python and python2 commands)

2018-05-18 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
> who said, that we should rename packages? The only packages being dropped are > the python defaults packages. > > > > I refuse to do that work! > > There is no work in renaming the packages. It's about the dependency > generation > and the shebang. the work in dh-python is not trivial. The

Re: Updated PEP 394 (python and python2 commands)

2018-05-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, May 18, 2018 11:31:37 AM Matthias Klose wrote: > On 18.05.2018 05:19, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > > [Matthias Klose, 2018-05-17] > > > >> PEP 394 [1] saw an update in April 2018 [2], the diffs at [3]. > >> > >> The most important change from my point of view is > >> > >> -* It is

Re: Updated PEP 394 (python and python2 commands)

2018-05-18 Thread Matthias Klose
On 18.05.2018 05:19, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > [Matthias Klose, 2018-05-17] >> PEP 394 [1] saw an update in April 2018 [2], the diffs at [3]. >> >> The most important change from my point of view is >> >> -* It is suggested that even distribution-specific packages follow the >> -

Re: Updated PEP 394 (python and python2 commands)

2018-05-18 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Matthias Klose, 2018-05-17] > PEP 394 [1] saw an update in April 2018 [2], the diffs at [3]. > > The most important change from my point of view is > > -* It is suggested that even distribution-specific packages follow the > - ``python2``/``python3`` convention, even in code that is not