Re: gcc-3.4 emits large amounts of test failures

2005-01-04 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 10:29:47AM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: > But what does that get you? Just that GCC is as broken (or not) as it was > previously. It doesn't actually tell you whether the problems reported are > spurious or serious, does it? Please don't have this sort of discussion on -r

Re: gcc-3.4 emits large amounts of test failures

2005-01-03 Thread Thiemo Seufer
[M-f-t set, I think this is offtopic for -release.] Matthew Palmer wrote: [snip] > > > Common sense would suggest that tests that have to be analysed by a human > > > being after every test run aren't particularly useful. > > > > Actually, skimming over the dozen or so failing ones, and recognizi

Re: gcc-3.4 emits large amounts of test failures

2005-01-03 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 12:20:36AM +0100, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > Matthew Palmer wrote: > [snip] > > > > So what are the tests useful for, then? They're obviously useless as a > > > > gauge of quality, because failing tests apparently don't indicate a > > > > flaw in > > > > the software. > > > >

Re: gcc-3.4 emits large amounts of test failures

2005-01-03 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Matthew Palmer wrote: [snip] > > > So what are the tests useful for, then? They're obviously useless as a > > > gauge of quality, because failing tests apparently don't indicate a flaw > > > in > > > the software. > > > > A little common sense, please? The test results have to be interpreted >

Re: gcc-3.4 emits large amounts of test failures

2005-01-03 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 05:12:57PM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 08:47:45AM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 02:07:59PM +, James Troup wrote: > > > Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >> would pretty much ensure that the package n

Re: gcc-3.4 emits large amounts of test failures

2005-01-03 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 08:47:45AM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: > On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 02:07:59PM +, James Troup wrote: > > Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> would pretty much ensure that the package never, ever builds. And > > > > > > Well, if it's always broken, we don't re

Re: gcc-3.4 emits large amounts of test failures

2005-01-03 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 02:07:59PM +, James Troup wrote: > Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> would pretty much ensure that the package never, ever builds. And > > > > Well, if it's always broken, we don't really want it, do we? > > If 'failing tests == broken' then we wouldn't ha

Re: gcc-3.4 emits large amounts of test failures

2005-01-03 Thread James Troup
Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> So what do you propose to do? Fail the build if there are test failures? That > > Well, there's a reason that test suites exist, you know. If your > tests are failing spuriously, then it's time to fix the tests, not > ignore them. I'm sure the gcc de

Re: gcc-3.4 emits large amounts of test failures

2005-01-03 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 10:57:09AM +0100, Bastian Blank wrote: > I just read a buildlog for gcc-3.4 and saw large amount of test failures > but the build themself is marked as successfull. I don't think this is > the proper use of a testsuite and have to asume that nothing in the > package may work

Re: gcc-3.4 emits large amounts of test failures

2005-01-03 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 11:09:09AM +0100, Falk Hueffner wrote: > Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb am 03.01.05 10:57:34: > > > I just read a buildlog for gcc-3.4 and saw large amount of test failures > > but the build themself is marked as successfull. I don't think this is > > the proper

Re: gcc-3.4 emits large amounts of test failures

2005-01-03 Thread Falk Hueffner
Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb am 03.01.05 10:57:34: > I just read a buildlog for gcc-3.4 and saw large amount of test failures > but the build themself is marked as successfull. I don't think this is > the proper use of a testsuite and have to asume that nothing in the > package may wo

gcc-3.4 emits large amounts of test failures

2005-01-03 Thread Bastian Blank
I just read a buildlog for gcc-3.4 and saw large amount of test failures but the build themself is marked as successfull. I don't think this is the proper use of a testsuite and have to asume that nothing in the package may work. Bastian -- It is more rational to sacrifice one life than six.