Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-10-11 Thread Bastian Blank
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 02:24:50PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: The addresses are specified this way: | #ifndef __s390x__ | #define IPL_DEVICE(*(unsigned long *) (0x10404)) | #define INITRD_START (*(unsigned long *) (0x1040C)) | #define INITRD_SIZE (*(unsigned long *)

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-10-10 Thread Adam Thornton
On Oct 10, 2009, at 6:10 AM, Frans Pop wrote: Stephen Powell wrote: It sounds to me like you are asking for information on how to create a mainframe-bootable CD. I'm afraid I don't know the answer. That's a pity. Because that is *exactly* the information we need. And I'm very

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-10-10 Thread Adam Thornton
On Oct 10, 2009, at 1:00 PM, Frans Pop wrote: Adam Thornton wrote: Does the .ins file specify load addresses? Yes, it does. See: http://lists.debian.org/debian-s390/2009/09/msg00027.html The short version I would suggest is see how SuSE does it and do that. Right, so who has a *recent*

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-10-09 Thread Stephen Powell
Run it, try the different installation methods, especially with testing and unstable. Report the findings either as bugs or on the mailing-list. Show things that can be made easier to understand/use for the mainframe people. Maybe you know how to properly IPL systems from CD/DVD and can

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-10-09 Thread Frans Pop
Stephen Powell wrote: I shall be happy to do all of the above. I do have access to a real mainframe. It's a z/890 (2086). It's not one of the newest machines. It's not a z9 or z10. But it is 64-bit. And I do have a spare LPAR I can test with. And yes, I do know how to IPL Linux in an

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-10-09 Thread Stephen Powell
That would be great. Please see [1] for details. If you need additional info, just ask. Cheers, FJP [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-s390/2009/09/msg00027.html It sounds to me like you are asking for information on how to create a mainframe-bootable CD. I'm afraid I don't know the

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-10-08 Thread STEPHEN POWELL
I just joined this list server yesterday; so I apologize for the un-timeliness of my replies to earlier posts. Is this really an important problem? Does a significant number of people actually use Debian/s390 on production servers? And if they exist, why they are not helping? -- ciao,

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-09-04 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Petter Reinholdtsen (p...@hungry.com): I expect you will get this if you use HTTP to submit and any HTTP proxy specified using the HTTP_PROXY variable in /etc/popularity-contest.conf. The only identity submitted would be the random ID generated by popcon to make sure the weekly

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-09-03 Thread Martin Grimm
Am 02.09.2009 20:03 schrieb Petter Reinholdtsen: [Martin Grimm] We've currently running 240+ Linux guests on 2 IBM System z10 EC, that's the newest hardware of this kind for those not so familiar with this architecture. 236 of these are running Debian, mostly etch, some still sarge and some

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-09-03 Thread Bastian Blank
On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 11:32:14AM +0200, Martin Grimm wrote: So as long as there is no easy manual way to provide anonymized figures without installing software on our production servers we can't deliver such data :-( Hmm. You could collect the /var/lib/dpkg/status files and do a mass submit

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-09-03 Thread Mike Hommey
On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 12:16:53PM +0200, Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 11:32:14AM +0200, Martin Grimm wrote: So as long as there is no easy manual way to provide anonymized figures without installing software on our production servers we can't deliver such

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-09-03 Thread Bastian Blank
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 01:01:24PM -0400, Michael Casadevall wrote: I think a bigger question is where do you find hardware where you can get remote root on; I know at least two posibilites - IBM provides access for evaluation purposes and - OSDL provides access for project work. Bastian --

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-09-03 Thread Russ Allbery
Martin Grimm extern.martin.gr...@zivit.de writes: I'm aware of popcon and as much as I'd appreciate it to see our systems counted there this will not happen because these are mainly production systems behind firewalls or in internal networks with no internet access and I've generally a bad

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-09-03 Thread Adam Thornton
On Sep 3, 2009, at 4:32 AM, Martin Grimm wrote: I'm aware of popcon and as much as I'd appreciate it to see our systems counted there this will not happen because these are mainly production systems behind firewalls or in internal networks with no internet access and I've generally a bad

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-09-03 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Russ Allbery] Is there an easy way (read: the software already exists and I can just install it) for all of the systems to report to an internal proxy that then resubmits the data so that no one else can know where it's coming from exactly other than from our servers somewhere? I expect

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-09-03 Thread Samuel Thibault
Russ Allbery, le Thu 03 Sep 2009 13:32:46 -0700, a écrit : In specific, our information security office (rightfully) considers the relationship between system and list of installed packages to be confidential data because of the potential use of such data in determining which systems to attack

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-09-02 Thread Martin Grimm
Am 31.08.2009 18:28 schrieb Bastian Blank: Hi folks The s390 port was released with Lenny. However it is not in the best condition. There are mainly two problems which needs attention, lack of manpower and a 64 bit userland. The first problem is the worst. Currently only Frans Pop and I

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-09-02 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Martin Grimm] We've currently running 240+ Linux guests on 2 IBM System z10 EC, that's the newest hardware of this kind for those not so familiar with this architecture. 236 of these are running Debian, mostly etch, some still sarge and some lenny. Amongst these are zelenka.debian.org and a

Future of the s390 port

2009-08-31 Thread Bastian Blank
Hi folks The s390 port was released with Lenny. However it is not in the best condition. There are mainly two problems which needs attention, lack of manpower and a 64 bit userland. The first problem is the worst. Currently only Frans Pop and I do work on it. Frans only does the

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-08-31 Thread Michael Casadevall
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Marco d'Itrim...@linux.it wrote: On Aug 31, Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org wrote: I doubt that I would be able to push this port through another release in the current state. The consequence would by that the port dies completely and with it the only free and

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-08-31 Thread Adam Thornton
On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Michael Casadevall wrote: I think a bigger question is where do you find hardware where you can get remote root on; I'm not very familiar with s390 or mainframes in general, but its not a piece of hardware one individual person would own. I'm aware of the Hercules

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-08-31 Thread Adam Thornton
On Aug 31, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Bastian Blank wrote: The first problem is the worst. Currently only Frans Pop and I do work on it. Frans only does the Debian-Installer part and I simply have not enough time to do the rest. The s390 architecture is quite different to anything else, so

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-08-31 Thread Frans Pop
Marco d'Itri wrote: On Aug 31, Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org wrote: I doubt that I would be able to push this port through another release in the current state. The consequence would by that the port dies completely and with it the only free and released distribution for this machines. Is

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-08-31 Thread The Fungi
I've been meaning to set up a used representative for testing in my lab at home, and would appreciate suggestions on some of the smaller options (from a space and power/thermal perspective). I've worked with a larger S/390 sysplex in the past (unfortunately not running Linux natively), but am

Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-08-31 Thread The Fungi
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 03:39:10PM -0500, Adam Thornton wrote: A Multiprise H50 or H70 would fit your needs, maybeit's about that size, probably pretty cheap on the used market, could run z/VM 4.4. It is, however, 31-bit only. There is nothing at all 64-bit yet that fits the bill. How