Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-05 Thread Karl Breitner
You are perfectly right Mark, when commenting out all services that is. still I prefer to keep it running with a minimum of services enabled. /Karl Mark Drummond skrev: > It only has it's uses if you are running any services through it. If you > are going to # out all the services in /etc/in

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-05 Thread Mark Drummond
It only has it's uses if you are running any services through it. If you are going to # out all the services in /etc/inetd.conf, why not just shut inetd down alltogether? Seems logical to me. Mark Karl Breitner wrote: Hmm, I don't understand this discussion about disabling inetd it has it's

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-05 Thread Karl Breitner
Hmm, I don't understand this discussion about disabling inetd it has it's uses. Just fire up your favourite text editor pointed at /etc/inetd.conf and insert a hashmark # in front of every line for a service you don't want to provide to the public. Best Rgards /Karl "Noah L. Meyerhans" wro

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-05 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans
On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 04:49:46PM +0200, Juhan Kundla wrote: > > Yikes! I guess, you didn't remove inetd that way, right? But how then? > As root: /etc/init.d/inetd stop rm /etc/rc?.d/S??inetd It will not be started again, but the K??inetd links will still be in place so the next upgrade won't

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-05 Thread Anne Carasik
Generally, I just disable the inetd script from the /etc/init.d directory. You never know if you're going to need it. Removing the package is definitely not the same as disabling it. Michal is right: disable <> wipe it out :) -Anne On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 04:31:19PM +0200, Michal Melewski wrote

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-05 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 08:28:41AM -0600, Jay Kline wrote: > On Friday 05 April 2002 08:49 am, Juhan Kundla wrote: > > > How do you do that? I tried the following... > > Not remove- but not start. Remove all references to it from the /etc/rc*.d/ > directorys so that it dosnt start up anymore.

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-05 Thread Karl Breitner
You are perfectly right Mark, when commenting out all services that is. still I prefer to keep it running with a minimum of services enabled. /Karl Mark Drummond skrev: > It only has it's uses if you are running any services through it. If you > are going to # out all the services in /etc/i

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-05 Thread Mark Drummond
It only has it's uses if you are running any services through it. If you are going to # out all the services in /etc/inetd.conf, why not just shut inetd down alltogether? Seems logical to me. Mark Karl Breitner wrote: > Hmm, I don't understand this discussion about disabling inetd > it has it

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-05 Thread Karl Breitner
Hmm, I don't understand this discussion about disabling inetd it has it's uses. Just fire up your favourite text editor pointed at /etc/inetd.conf and insert a hashmark # in front of every line for a service you don't want to provide to the public. Best Rgards /Karl "Noah L. Meyerhans" wr

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-05 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans
On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 04:49:46PM +0200, Juhan Kundla wrote: > > Yikes! I guess, you didn't remove inetd that way, right? But how then? > As root: /etc/init.d/inetd stop rm /etc/rc?.d/S??inetd It will not be started again, but the K??inetd links will still be in place so the next upgrade won'

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-05 Thread Anne Carasik
Generally, I just disable the inetd script from the /etc/init.d directory. You never know if you're going to need it. Removing the package is definitely not the same as disabling it. Michal is right: disable <> wipe it out :) -Anne On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 04:31:19PM +0200, Michal Melewski wrot

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-05 Thread Raymond Wood
On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 04:31:19PM +0200, Michal Melewski remarked: > > Yikes! I guess, you didn't remove inetd that way, right? But how then? > I think that you should just turn it off :) > 'Don't' use isn't equal to 'wipe it out' I have found the 'rcconf' utility to be very helpful in thes

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-05 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 08:28:41AM -0600, Jay Kline wrote: > On Friday 05 April 2002 08:49 am, Juhan Kundla wrote: > > > How do you do that? I tried the following... > > Not remove- but not start. Remove all references to it from the /etc/rc*.d/ > directorys so that it dosnt start up anymore.

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-05 Thread Michal Melewski
> Yikes! I guess, you didn't remove inetd that way, right? But how then? I think that you should just turn it off :) 'Don't' use isn't equal to 'wipe it out' > Namarie! > Juku -- Michael "carstein" Melewski | "One day, he said, in a taped segment [EMAIL PROTECTED]|

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-05 Thread Jay Kline
On Friday 05 April 2002 08:49 am, Juhan Kundla wrote: > How do you do that? I tried the following... Not remove- but not start. Remove all references to it from the /etc/rc*.d/ directorys so that it dosnt start up anymore. If you are not useing any of its services, its pointless to have it r

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-05 Thread Juhan Kundla
Ühel ilusal päeval [02.04.2002] kirjutas Anne Carasik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: [skip] > I usually turn off inetd completely. It helps makes things > quieter on a nessus scan :) Hei! How do you do that? I tried the following... juku:~# dpkg -l | grep inetd ii netkit-inetd 0.10-9 The Inte

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-05 Thread Raymond Wood
On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 04:31:19PM +0200, Michal Melewski remarked: > > Yikes! I guess, you didn't remove inetd that way, right? But how then? > I think that you should just turn it off :) > 'Don't' use isn't equal to 'wipe it out' I have found the 'rcconf' utility to be very helpful in the

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-05 Thread Michal Melewski
> Yikes! I guess, you didn't remove inetd that way, right? But how then? I think that you should just turn it off :) 'Don't' use isn't equal to 'wipe it out' > Namarie! > Juku -- Michael "carstein" Melewski | "One day, he said, in a taped segment [EMAIL PROTECTED] |

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-05 Thread Jay Kline
On Friday 05 April 2002 08:49 am, Juhan Kundla wrote: > How do you do that? I tried the following... Not remove- but not start. Remove all references to it from the /etc/rc*.d/ directorys so that it dosnt start up anymore. If you are not useing any of its services, its pointless to have it

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-05 Thread Juhan Kundla
Ühel ilusal päeval [02.04.2002] kirjutas Anne Carasik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: [skip] > I usually turn off inetd completely. It helps makes things > quieter on a nessus scan :) Hei! How do you do that? I tried the following... juku:~# dpkg -l | grep inetd ii netkit-inetd 0.10-9 The Int

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-04 Thread Tim Haynes
Anne Carasik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> The question of what to do with these ports comes up every once in a >> while on this list. Some people prefer to leave them on, others turn >> them off. I don't think there's ever been an exploit that involves these >> ports, as the code is quite simple

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-04 Thread Emmanuel Lacour
On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 06:56:30PM +0200, eim wrote: > First of all thanks to all for responses. > > On Wed, 2002-04-03 at 20:22, Holger Eitzenberger wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 09:16:03AM +0200, Emmanuel Lacour wrote: > > > > > > 'time' is RFC 868, a pre-NTP time synchronization protocol.

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-04 Thread Anne Carasik
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 01:34:32PM -0500, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote: > > Well, daytime spits out the time of day, time is for NTP, > > and I'm not sure what discard is used for. > No, NTP does not use the time port. It uses port 123 (ntp in > /etc/services). Ok, figures I don't know since I don't u

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-04 Thread Christian G. Warden
rdate is probably easier to use. ntp requires at least a little configuration, but it is more accurate. xn On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 06:56:30PM +0200, eim wrote: > First of all thanks to all for responses. > > On Wed, 2002-04-03 at 20:22, Holger Eitzenberger wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 09:

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-04 Thread eim
First of all thanks to all for responses. On Wed, 2002-04-03 at 20:22, Holger Eitzenberger wrote: > On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 09:16:03AM +0200, Emmanuel Lacour wrote: > > > > 'time' is RFC 868, a pre-NTP time synchronization protocol. It just > > > sends the time as a 32-bit int, where: > > > > >

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-04 Thread Tim Haynes
Anne Carasik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> The question of what to do with these ports comes up every once in a >> while on this list. Some people prefer to leave them on, others turn >> them off. I don't think there's ever been an exploit that involves these >> ports, as the code is quite simpl

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-04 Thread Emmanuel Lacour
On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 06:56:30PM +0200, eim wrote: > First of all thanks to all for responses. > > On Wed, 2002-04-03 at 20:22, Holger Eitzenberger wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 09:16:03AM +0200, Emmanuel Lacour wrote: > > > > > > 'time' is RFC 868, a pre-NTP time synchronization protocol

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-04 Thread Anne Carasik
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 01:34:32PM -0500, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote: > > Well, daytime spits out the time of day, time is for NTP, > > and I'm not sure what discard is used for. > No, NTP does not use the time port. It uses port 123 (ntp in > /etc/services). Ok, figures I don't know since I don't

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-04 Thread Christian G. Warden
rdate is probably easier to use. ntp requires at least a little configuration, but it is more accurate. xn On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 06:56:30PM +0200, eim wrote: > First of all thanks to all for responses. > > On Wed, 2002-04-03 at 20:22, Holger Eitzenberger wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 09

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-04 Thread eim
First of all thanks to all for responses. On Wed, 2002-04-03 at 20:22, Holger Eitzenberger wrote: > On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 09:16:03AM +0200, Emmanuel Lacour wrote: > > > > 'time' is RFC 868, a pre-NTP time synchronization protocol. It just > > > sends the time as a 32-bit int, where: > > > > >

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-03 Thread Holger Eitzenberger
On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 09:16:03AM +0200, Emmanuel Lacour wrote: > > 'time' is RFC 868, a pre-NTP time synchronization protocol. It just > > sends the time as a 32-bit int, where: > > > > "The time is the number of seconds since 00:00 (midnight) 1 January 1900 > > GMT, such that the time 1 is 12

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-03 Thread Holger Eitzenberger
On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 09:16:03AM +0200, Emmanuel Lacour wrote: > > 'time' is RFC 868, a pre-NTP time synchronization protocol. It just > > sends the time as a 32-bit int, where: > > > > "The time is the number of seconds since 00:00 (midnight) 1 January 1900 > > GMT, such that the time 1 is 1

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-03 Thread Emmanuel Lacour
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 11:49:53AM -0700, Will Aoki wrote: > On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 10:23:21AM -0800, Anne Carasik wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 07:45:21PM +0200, eim wrote: > > > A question about some network services > > > =

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-02 Thread Emmanuel Lacour
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 11:49:53AM -0700, Will Aoki wrote: > On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 10:23:21AM -0800, Anne Carasik wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 07:45:21PM +0200, eim wrote: > > > A question about some network services > > > =

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-02 Thread Mike Renfro
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 07:45:21PM +0200, eim wrote: > All this services are stareted from inet.d / xinet.d so I can easily > disable them via "update-inetd", so my only question is: And *that's* the problem; update-inetd. I've run into this myself, too, and the solution is to not use update-inet

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-02 Thread Will Aoki
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 10:23:21AM -0800, Anne Carasik wrote: > On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 07:45:21PM +0200, eim wrote: > > A question about some network services > > == > > > > Hallo Debian folks, > > > > By default, on

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-02 Thread Eric LeBlanc
On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Anne Carasik wrote: > On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 07:45:21PM +0200, eim wrote: > > A question about some network services > > == > > > > Hallo Debian folks, > > > > By default, on my debian boxes, I

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-02 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 10:23:21AM -0800, Anne Carasik wrote: > > Well, daytime spits out the time of day, time is for NTP, > and I'm not sure what discard is used for. No, NTP does not use the time port. It uses port 123 (ntp in /etc/services). Discard is the network equivalent of /dev/null T

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-02 Thread jereme
[snips:] Anne Carasik wrote: > On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 07:45:21PM +0200, eim wrote: > > A question about some network services > > == ... > > Well, daytime spits out the time of day, time is for NTP, > and I'm not sure what di

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-02 Thread Anne Carasik
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 07:45:21PM +0200, eim wrote: > A question about some network services > == > > Hallo Debian folks, > > By default, on my debian boxes, I disable this network > services which are enabled automaticly during a fres

A question about some network services

2002-04-02 Thread eim
A question about some network services == Hallo Debian folks, By default, on my debian boxes, I disable this network services which are enabled automaticly during a fresh Debian stable aka "potato" installtion: * daytime

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-02 Thread Mike Renfro
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 07:45:21PM +0200, eim wrote: > All this services are stareted from inet.d / xinet.d so I can easily > disable them via "update-inetd", so my only question is: And *that's* the problem; update-inetd. I've run into this myself, too, and the solution is to not use update-ine

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-02 Thread Will Aoki
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 10:23:21AM -0800, Anne Carasik wrote: > On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 07:45:21PM +0200, eim wrote: > > A question about some network services > > == > > > > Hallo Debian folks, > > > > By default, on

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-02 Thread Eric LeBlanc
On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Anne Carasik wrote: > On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 07:45:21PM +0200, eim wrote: > > A question about some network services > > == > > > > Hallo Debian folks, > > > > By default, on my debian boxes, I

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-02 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 10:23:21AM -0800, Anne Carasik wrote: > > Well, daytime spits out the time of day, time is for NTP, > and I'm not sure what discard is used for. No, NTP does not use the time port. It uses port 123 (ntp in /etc/services). Discard is the network equivalent of /dev/null

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-02 Thread jereme
[snips:] Anne Carasik wrote: > On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 07:45:21PM +0200, eim wrote: > > A question about some network services > > == ... > > Well, daytime spits out the time of day, time is for NTP, > and I'm not sure what di

Re: A question about some network services

2002-04-02 Thread Anne Carasik
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 07:45:21PM +0200, eim wrote: > A question about some network services > == > > Hallo Debian folks, > > By default, on my debian boxes, I disable this network > services which are enabled automaticly during a fres

A question about some network services

2002-04-02 Thread eim
A question about some network services == Hallo Debian folks, By default, on my debian boxes, I disable this network services which are enabled automaticly during a fresh Debian stable aka "potato" installtion: * daytime